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re: Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?
Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:26 pm to RollDatRoll
Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:26 pm to RollDatRoll
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People who don't tip well are bad people. They are selfish and cheap which says a lot about them.
And I think you're a bad person for being so presumptive about bad tippers.
1) Tipping is an arbitrary and unwritten "rule". Credit card bills are starting to come with recommendations, but prior to that the only official notice/suggestion for tipping was the fine print on menus saying X% will be automatically added to large groups.
2) Tipping is an unusual pricing structure in our economy, much like car negotiation. Nothing else in the economy has variable and voluntary pricing. Maybe people are bad tippers because the rules aren't standardized and compulsory.
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If you don't want to tip well, go to a place to eat where you don't have to.
You are also assuming that once a bad tipper always a bad tipper. The first time I had a $100+ bill I didn't tip well. Not because I'm a bad peron or got bad service, but because I had sticker shock. I honestly didn't see the value added by the server. Yes my meal was more expensive, but I still got the same level of order taking, water pouring and food delivery I received when my date and I dropped $30 - $40 at a less expensive restaurant. Why should I pay one server $6 and the other $20 for the same service just because the food and drinks are more expensive? I can see the value added in the more expensive food, but I didn't get 4 times the service. It took me a while but I've come to accept the flawed pricing system we have and tip appropriately, that doesn't mean I was a bad person before.
I'm sure there are people that are abusively bad tippers, and do it because they can, but I think many bad tippers are people that only do fine dining once in a blue moon, and because the pricing is neither standardized or spelled out, they don't get the proper feedback they need to know that they should adjust their tipping. Instead of getting pissed at customers you should get pissed at the service industry for keeping a pricing structure that is seen as beneficial to them precisely because it allows for you to be underpaid.
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Posted on 11/16/12 at 12:55 pm to Jones
I am not so sure it learned by what your parents tipped when you were growing up. My husband tips 20%+ yet his father barely tips 15%. In my college years of working in a bar and restaurant, the pentacostal and black people were the worst restaurant tippers and the white trash were the worse bar tippers.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:00 pm to iluvdatiger
Rouge has always seemed to take pride in being a shitty tipper.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 1:00 pm to Delacroix
quote:In defense of your Dad, from what I remember, when he was "coming up" a standard tip for good service was 10% and $3 on $20 was a very good tip.. The next move up was to 15-18%, and then up to 20%.... Honestly, if I didn't have kids that kinda kept me abreast of the tipping scale, I wouldn't have known either.
I learned how to tip from my dad. He told me to leave at least 3$ for every 20$ spent.
But, it's still called a tip for a reason, it's extra. Maybe sometimes deserved, maybe sometimes not, or not so much.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 2:56 pm to Jones
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Black people are notorious for not tipping and everyone knows it.
This could have been a concise OP.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 4:29 pm to TigerinATL
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The first time I had a $100+ bill I didn't tip well. Not because I'm a bad peron or got bad service, but because I had sticker shock.
So, you spent too much money, and then decided to take that out on your server? Servers generally tip out 3% of sales to busboys, bartenders, & even kitchen staff sometimes and that is before they are taxed. So if you spend 100 bucks and only leave 6 bucks, you are basically leaving them nothing. You may have got similar service at both places, but if you can't afford to tip on a $100 bill maybe you should stick to cheaper places.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 4:40 pm to RollDatRoll
quote:he is admitting to freaking out on his first expensive meal..So what, we probly all went in shock on our first big check, whether it was a $100 for some or $20 or so for me, "back then".
The first time
quote:maybe you ought to seek a different career path.
maybe you should stick to cheaper places.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 5:54 pm to Jones
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Is tipping primarily a learned behavior?
I learned to tip by being a waiter for a summer. Hated it. I gladly tip people well cause Lord knows I don't want to be waiting tables.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:00 pm to BottomlandBrew
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I gladly tip people well cause Lord knows I don't want to be waiting tables.
A long time ago I worked in the resturaunt business. Lived off of tips. I always tip well. If for no other reason I want to be remebered the next time I come in.
The one thing that I don't like is automatic gratuity for larger parties. I understand the demand that it puts on the server(s). But in some cases they charge a 20% gratuity because it is a larger party. I never have a problem with leaving a generous tip. I have a problem with the ones recieving the tip setting the tip for me.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:03 pm to Rouge
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sorry, but opening up a beer bottle is not worth a dollar
If you are in a crowded bar and need to get the bartender's attention, a good tip on the first beer may pay off well later on in the evening. That dollar will pay dividends.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:14 pm to Jones
i tip 33% to the bars i frequent a lot(Zee Zees, Duvics, Chelseas, B&Ts)
leave around 20% to bars i randomly go to
leave around 20% to bars i randomly go to
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:27 pm to Walt OReilly
I always tip cash, and I always tip well, especially if I want to go back to the place.
Especially if I like the wait staff. It's not uncommon for me to tip 30+%.
And when I go back, I am always treated well.
Especially if I like the wait staff. It's not uncommon for me to tip 30+%.
And when I go back, I am always treated well.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:50 pm to Rouge
Damn man, you're too cheap arse to leave even 15% for decent service? That's not much money.. On a $100 that's only 15 bucks. The reason the servers at high end restaurants deserve a bigger tip than those at Applebee's or some shite is because most of those servers have served for a long time and are very good at it, are consistent, and hey usually get less tables per shift so that they can pay better attention to their tables throughout the shift. Get some seriously shitty service and you'll definitely appreciate a good server more.
Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:50 pm to Rouge
Damn man, you're too cheap arse to leave even 15% for decent service? That's not much money.. On a $100 that's only 15 bucks. The reason the servers at high end restaurants deserve a bigger tip than those at Applebee's or some shite is because most of those servers have served for a long time and are very good at it, are consistent, and hey usually get less tables per shift so that they can pay better attention to their tables throughout the shift. Get some seriously shitty service and you'll definitely appreciate a good server more.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 12:12 am to Rouge
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Rouge
Cheap, selfish, and mean. Next time you go out to eat, explain your philosophy before you sit down and you will get the service you deserve. Or better yet, stick to fast food where your attitude prevails. I'm all for not tipping full when service is genuinely lacking or rude, but always inform the server or manager why when this happens(very rare- twice in my case). I won't walk away and allow them to just say I'm cheap and feel they were wronged. That would just reinforce bad service.
This post was edited on 11/17/12 at 2:08 am
Posted on 11/17/12 at 4:47 am to RollDatRoll
quote:mad waiter is mad
RollDatRoll
Posted on 11/17/12 at 4:59 am to Jones
people who don't tip well never worked in the food service industry. it's as simple as that.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 6:19 am to Displaced
Fact
Being a server for any length of time will push you toward racism.
Fact
If you dont tip 15% (assuming at least acceptable service) you are stealing from the server because that is what the government taxes them on and everyone knows it. The 15 percent should be included in the budget for the meal. I do not however tip 25-40 percent just because i worked in the industry unless the service was outstanding in every way and I feel the server went above and beyond.
Being a server for any length of time will push you toward racism.
Fact
If you dont tip 15% (assuming at least acceptable service) you are stealing from the server because that is what the government taxes them on and everyone knows it. The 15 percent should be included in the budget for the meal. I do not however tip 25-40 percent just because i worked in the industry unless the service was outstanding in every way and I feel the server went above and beyond.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 6:52 am to Jibbajabba
quote:I tip 20% for basically every meal, but this is stupid logic. If you expect the tip to be a certain amount, then it should be included in the sales price. The tax code written by legislators and the contractual agreement that the servers have made with their bosses is not my fault, nor is it my business.
If you dont tip 15% (assuming at least acceptable service) you are stealing from the server
There is no indentured servitude - if you are unhappy with your pay structure, then find a job with steady pay instead of one that relies on the whims of the purchaser. But blaming the purchaser for the system which he did not create is utterly stupid.
Posted on 11/17/12 at 7:22 am to NaturalBeam
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I tip 20% for basically every meal, but this is stupid logic. If you expect the tip to be a certain amount, then it should be included in the sales price. The tax code written by legislators and the contractual agreement that the servers have made with their bosses is not my fault, nor is it my business.
But if servers made a standard wage, where would the incentive go to provide great service? If they KNEW that they would get 15 dollars an hour, it would be that much easier to say, "they can wait for that refill for just a minute, i need to take a break", because it would not impact their wallet. This is a service based industry and quality of service will
always be driven by expected return.
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