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NYT: If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:07 am
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:07 am
Doesn't really discuss 14, but has some key info:
If Texas A&M is the SEC's 13th Team, Who's No. 14?
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As for when Texas A&M will move, the probable answer is soon but not imminent. If it were to join the SEC for the 2012-13 academic year, it would have to make the move by early fall in order for the move to be logistically feasible.
A high-ranking SEC official said he did not expect any movement on Texas A&M within the next week, because he said the university was busy working out the legal issues involved with leaving the Big 12.
“They have to unencumber themselves from the Big 12,” the official said.
There have been some recent voices opposing the move, including from Vanderbilt, but it does not appear that enough resistance has been built up to prevent it from happening.
“I think it’s a matter of timing and substance,” the SEC official said. “Who is it and when is it done? I don’t think the SEC has any strong opinion against expansion. Likewise, we’re not under any pressure to expand.”
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The official acknowledged that because of the length and structure of the SEC’s current television contract, adding Texas A&M and a 14th member would not be financially beneficial from a rights standpoint.
Texas A&M and Team No. 14 are expected to receive a pro rata share equal to what the SEC’s 12 current universities are making: an average of about $18 million in league payouts. (Individual universities can make more money from their separate television deals.)
The SEC deal, which ends in 2025, has a few windows when it can be renegotiated but no one from the SEC or the networks expects any radical change.
So the notion that Texas A&M will see a significant financial gain by going to the SEC is not true. While the SEC offers more long-term security, the Big 12 could end up with a television deal in four years that surpasses the annual payout of the SEC, according to Joel Lulla, a New York-based lawyer who is the Big 12’s television consultant. Starting next season, A&M is guaranteed $20 million of total revenue from the Big 12. Once the Big 12 negotiates its deal that expires in four years, Texas A&M would be poised to make more money. Texas A&M also has to deal with a potentially significant buyout that will be in the neighborhood of $15 million.
“Economically, unless the SEC opens their TV deals to the extent where they make more than a pro rata increase, it makes no sense at all,” Lulla said.
If Texas A&M is the SEC's 13th Team, Who's No. 14?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:27 am to Indiana Tiger
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While the SEC offers more long-term security, the Big 12 could end up with a television deal in four years that surpasses the annual payout of the SEC, according to Joel Lulla, a New York-based lawyer who is the Big 12’s television consultant
Be interesting to see what network will essentially pay for Oklahoma/Texas game coupled with a lot of games that are equivalent to watching Conference USA.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:42 am to Indiana Tiger
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If Texas A&M is the only move, Armageddon is avoided temporarily,” said an athletic director in a Bowl Championship Series conference, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
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A high-ranking SEC official said he did not expect any movement on Texas A&M within the next week, because he said the university was busy working out the legal issues involved with leaving the Big 12.
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Big 12 could end up with a television deal in four years that surpasses the annual payout of the SEC
I am smelling BS on this whole article. Too many loose ends and the last quote does not make any sense.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:52 am to rileytiger
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the last quote does not make any sense.
What doesn't make sense? It just means that the SEC didn't foresee the future and give themselves enough triggers for renogotiation. Don't have a clue if it's true, but it's certainly plausible.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 9:39 am to Indiana Tiger
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There have been some recent voices opposing the move, including from Vanderbilt,
Vandy???
Those freeloaders need to shut up and sit down.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 9:42 am to Indiana Tiger
I just don't get an article where someone writes and makes all of these claims with "So-Called" sources. I mean I can go ask my neighbor a question and then call him an official on the SEC. Likewise the Big 12 has the worst TV contract out of all the major conferences (aTm hardly gets airtime unless they are playing a top 25 team and I live in Houston) so I do not see how they stand to make more money than the most watched and talked about conference in college football.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 9:43 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Vandy???
Those freeloaders need to shut up and sit down
Yeah WTF? Do they even get to speak at conference AD meetings
Fix your damn basketball court frickers
Posted on 8/25/11 at 9:47 am to Indiana Tiger
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the Big 12 could end up with a television deal in four years that surpasses the annual payout of the SEC, according to Joel Lulla, a New York-based lawyer who is the Big 12’s television consultant.
Dont se that happening. The SEC is the premier college football leauge and will get even more money in TV contracts in time.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 9:49 am to Hubbhogg
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according to Joel Lulla, a New York-based lawyer who is the Big 12’s television consultant
Are you kidding me, New York Times? Asking the losing conference's media advisor to wax poetic on the SEC and what Mike Slive will be able to do?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 10:53 am to Indiana Tiger
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, the Big 12 could
yeah...."could" - pure speculation. Alot of shite "could" happen
and from what I've read the author of this article grossly underplays these contract "windows"
I understand this window gives both the SEC and ESPN opportunities to modify the contract and opens up legal avenues for each if the other party does not agree to renegotiate terms.
the same "window" also allows ESPN to lower the terms of the deal if by somehow the SEC lost teams. So, it's in ESPN's best interest to play nice in the good faith of the contract
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 10:54 am
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:03 am to Uncle Stu
This is kinda playing out like I thought it would. I think the SEC will add A&M as a 13th and hold tight for another year or two before adding VaTech. That's the only move that makes sense right now.
I think we are getting TF out of the bevo 10, conference or no. SEC is not under any pressure to take A&M, but the FudgePac 12 would definitely add A&M, and big 10 probably would. SEC would make the move and add A&M to prevent realignment with another conference (not that we're "all that," but this is the best way to expand TV footprint and all conferences know it).
I think we are getting TF out of the bevo 10, conference or no. SEC is not under any pressure to take A&M, but the FudgePac 12 would definitely add A&M, and big 10 probably would. SEC would make the move and add A&M to prevent realignment with another conference (not that we're "all that," but this is the best way to expand TV footprint and all conferences know it).
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:14 am to KaiserSoze99
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I think the SEC will add A&M as a 13th and hold tight for another year or two
I agree completely
I have a difficult time believing there's this mad dash to balance out the conference immediately or that the lack of a 14th team is going to hinder the process. It'll be very high on their priority list to find that 14th team, but to deny A&M based solely on that would be extremely short-sighted.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:35 am to KaiserSoze99
quote:Taking a fourth tier football program in Texas (you come after UT, Tech and TCU) is a huge risk to the SEC if a 14th is not selected. The unbalanced divisions would cause all kinds of problems.
This is kinda playing out like I thought it would. I think the SEC will add A&M as a 13th and hold tight for another year or two before adding VaTech. That's the only move that makes sense right now.
I really have mixed feelings. I want LSU to beat aggy every year but I see no reason to dilute the SEC money pot for something that could be scheduled as non-conference.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:36 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
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Taking a fourth tier football program in Texas (you come after UT, Tech and TCU) is a huge risk to the SEC if a 14th is not selected. The unbalanced divisions would cause all kinds of problems.
Nice troll. Check the standings last year.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:36 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
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I really have mixed feelings. I want LSU to beat aggy every year but I see no reason to dilute the SEC money pot for something that could be scheduled as non-conference.
You have to be pretty damn gullible to believe a NY Times writer when he says no extra money will come the SEC's way. Especially when his source is the Big 12's media consultant.
Commissioner Slive isn't going to add A&M, and the SEC members would never accept A&M, if it diluted their money share. And they haven't maintained America's greatest conference by making poor business decisions.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:39 pm to Smoke Ring
Touchdowns4LSU sounds like a Kloset Klanhorn.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 5:19 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Nice troll. Check the standings last year.
Check my number of posts on here and then come back with troll again, troll.
GTFOH
Posted on 8/25/11 at 5:30 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
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touchdowns4lsu
Get your head checked. Something isn't right with it.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:13 am to Touchdowns4LSU
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a fourth tier football program in Texas (you come after UT, Tech and TCU)
No. aTm will come into the SEC at about the same level LSU was at pre-Saban. And with the right coach they have just as much potential to turn into a national power. They have the talent pool, fans and facilites. And yes, I think they will recruit with Texas head to head. A lot of kids will choose a guaranteed game against Bama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas and VaTech/FSU every year instead of having only 1 marquee matchup in the nations 5th best conference.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 9:21 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:16 am to Monticello
I hate to say this, but as this stretches out, I have a gut feeling it's going to be Mizzou
not my first choice
not my first choice
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