re: which OBer open carrying in walmart scaried a customer

irrelevant

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I totally disagree with this statement. I believe we are almost totally governed by illogical fear at this point.

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You are 100% correct. It's a reactionary environment and depends on fear.

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Because years ago, activist figured out by putting their people in the media, academia and elected office was far more successful than demonstrating. I remember the days when some things we accept now were taboo and people were reviled for supporting them but they changed the system by changing the old guard, now their agenda is mainstream.

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I don't buy this.. The mainstream media isn't full of gays and African americans.. They just see the demographics and social preferences of the masses in the major markets/ metropolis areas evolving, and they are catering to them because it makes them money.

FWIW I have open carried less than 3 times in my life, but I don't see anything wrong with it. I carry a firearm in my vehicle, that stays in an inconspicuous place.

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I don't see anything wrong with it.

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I don't either

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You can't seriously suggest that 2A activists endure even 1/1000th of the discrimination that blacks endured

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No I am not

Believe it or not, a correlation of events to review motivations, actions, and outcomes does not have to be 100% equivalent to be usefull.

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Is anyone stopping you from voting NOT YET, riding on the front of the bus IN SOME STATES, eating at the same counter IN EVERY RESTURANT IN SOME STATES AND IN A HANDFULL IN EVERY STATE, drinking from the same fountain as whitey DENPENDS ON WHERE THE FOUNTAIN IS LOCATED BUT YES?

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You see the restriction of movement of a citizen who is legally in possession of a firearm due to perceived fear does have impacts.

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No one is stopping you from open carrying. Some are simply suggesting that you be a little more discreet, so as not to turn the tide of public opinion against gun owners

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I understand that point. There is no reason to create undo fear or concern. However there is no reason to have undo fear or concern when an appropriately acting person is correctly carrying a legal firearm. By making an action increasingly uncommon, it sensitizes the public to that action when they see it. Much like a black man walking into a high end jewelry store in a predominately white area. He is going to cause fear. So maybe we should suggest he just stay out. On the other side making an action more publically visible and common desensitizes the public. Much like gay and lesbian parades and open PDA have resulted in increased acceptance or tolerance of that lifestyle.


Surely you can see that the development of community standards is based on the frequency of actions. When things become uncommon or foreign then the public sees those as outliers and is prone to vote restrictively.

For instance, I am a board certified family physician with a full and robust obstetrical training. The hospital I did residency at wanted me to stay on there but only for FP with no OB/GYN privileges because it had become outside of the community standard to have FP's provide that care in that city. It was and is legal for me to deliver babies and I am damn good at it, but provisions were written to limit my rights to practice because it became uncommon.

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Weird thing, you and I are on the same side and have the same goals. We just see the world in different ways.

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I know this

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Surely you can see that the development of community standards is based on the frequency of actions. When things become uncommon or foreign then the public sees those as outliers and is prone to vote restrictively.

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Some truth to this. But, open carry isn't going to be socialized to the public by doing so at Walmart. We're on the uphill side of these things due to the sensationalizing of certain events.

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The guy who wins the argument isn't the one who screams and stomps his feet



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Well, then scream and stomp your feet. I'll contribute, campaign and vote for people who support individual rights and educating the public on our causes. I'll put my money on the latter being more effective.

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As far as disagreeing with the idea that we are straying away from governing based on fear I suppose I could have more specifically noted it concerning social issues. But take into consideration the law and media:

Gays are not scary or offensive embrace them or be labeled and admonished for your fear

Lesbians are not scary or offensive embrace them or be labeled and admonished for your fear

Minorities are not scary or offensive embrace them or be labeled and admonished for your fear
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Muslims are not scary or offensive embrace them or be labeled and admonished for your fear

The undereducated are not scary or offensive embrace them or be labeled and admonished for your fear

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The fear mongering comes from pandering to certain constituent groups, making them believe that the majority (which will soon be the minority) is taking away their rights.

If you can scare the public, you can take away their rights. Look what happened after 911.

The same people who can be scared into taking away rights based on racial/gender lines can also be scared into eroding second amendment rights. The people scaring them are still in power, still control the media and some of them believe the constitution isn't a hurdle.

In a nutshell, my belief is that open carry in public places (such as Walmart) will become a weapon against your rights, because you don't control the narrative. Just watch, one incident and it will become sensationalized.

Progressive culture likes to use the term "wrong side of history" when discussing certain things. The reason they love this term is they know they have the people in power and people in places of influence to further their agenda.


On a related note, maybe if mainstream Republicans hadn't demonized Ron Paul so many years, people may take them serious when discussing individual rights.