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re: which OBer open carrying in walmart scaried a customer
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:33 pm to Bleeding purple
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:33 pm to Bleeding purple
One of the problems with OC is where it's most welcomed, it's less needed. The places where you'd find objection are probably the places it would come in handy.
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
very true.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Until you convince the overwhelming majority of people in the nation that open carry...anywhere..is fine, it will hurt the cause.
And you think the best way to accomplish that is by not OC'ing where it's perfectly legal to do so. Amazing...
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The battle can be won, but it's going to take brains, not brawn.
It actually takes a combination of both. Let me help you figure out something you haven't quite clued in on. The laws are changed by activism and education through public awareness. Louisiana has a very strict standard of scrutiny, OC isn't going to be legislated against no matter how many OC at Wally world. CC advocates who "mock" or "roll their eyes" at a OC'er are part of the problem because they'd rather play the part of delicate wall flowers and hope to merely stop or delay incremental erosion of the 2A. That isn't good enough anymore. Either step up or get out of the way.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:33 pm to Clames
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Until you convince the overwhelming majority of people in the nation that open carry...anywhere..is fine, it will hurt the cause.
And you think the best way to accomplish that is by not OC'ing where it's perfectly legal to do so. Amazing...
You have some fairly serious reading comprehension problems.
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The battle can be won, but it's going to take brains, not brawn.
It actually takes a combination of both. Let me help you figure out something you haven't quite clued in on. The laws are changed by activism and education through public awareness. Louisiana has a very strict standard of scrutiny, OC isn't going to be legislated against no matter how many OC at Wally world. CC advocates who "mock" or "roll their eyes" at a OC'er are part of the problem because they'd rather play the part of delicate wall flowers and hope to merely stop or delay incremental erosion of the 2A. That isn't good enough anymore. Either step up or get out of the way.
I'm not in your way. You're perfectly welcome to OC anywhere you choose.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You have some fairly serious reading comprehension problems.
Nice try but no. I think your understanding of this issue is shallow at best. I think it isn't as much a majority of the US population as it is a high percentage of gun owners who are nowhere near as well informed as they should on the details of the legal and educational framework needed to not just stop erosion but work to reverse it.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:46 pm to Clames
Not directed to anyone in particular, but I find it funny/odd that some of you think it's better to hide a gun than not. Just doesn't sit right for some reason.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:49 pm to Clames
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Nice try but no. I think your understanding of this issue is shallow at best. I think it isn't as much a majority of the US population as it is a high percentage of gun owners who are nowhere near as well informed as they should on the details of the legal and educational framework needed to not just stop erosion but work to reverse it.
Yep, the old "you don't know nothing" tactic.
It's interesting the convo between various ideas went fairly well until...now. Most people (until you) seemed to understand competing ideas on the possible outcomes of open carry in high traffic, public markets.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:54 pm to Clames
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Nice try but no. I think your understanding of this issue is shallow at best. I think it isn't as much a majority of the US population as it is a high percentage of gun owners who are nowhere near as well informed as they should on the details of the legal and educational framework needed to not just stop erosion but work to reverse it.
Your attitude is horrid. Do you always berate people who don't agree with what you have to say? We are all proponents of open carry and I have not seen one person post against it. If you turn the populace against your cause by your actions those actions were counterproductive. Education and information are not obtained by someone open carrying in Wal-Mart.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:56 pm to AlxTgr
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Not directed to anyone in particular, but I find it funny/odd that some of you think it's better to hide a gun than not. Just doesn't sit right for some reason.
It is generally safer for the person with the weapon to carry concealed. If you are in a convenience store open carrying and someone comes in to rob it you will be the first one they shoot at. Why not surprise them and win?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:00 pm to AlxTgr
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I find it funny/odd that some of you think it's better to hide a gun than not. Just doesn't sit right for some reason.
out of sight, out of mind
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:03 pm to DanTiger
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If you are in a convenience store open carrying and someone comes in to rob it you will be the first one they shoot at. Why not surprise them and win?
Good point. I also don't want to be harassed by someone who is afraid of guns or scare some kid.
I figure if I need it for protection, concealed is better. The first guy they'll go after is the one with the (visible) gun.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:06 pm to DanTiger
quote:That's not the part I'm talking about. The negativity towards open, all the while that person has a gun too. It's just hidden.
It is generally safer for the person with the weapon to carry concealed. If you are in a convenience store open carrying and someone comes in to rob it you will be the first one they shoot at. Why not surprise them and win?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:20 pm to DanTiger
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Yep, the old "you don't know nothing" tactic.
Didn't say that. Said you don't know enough. There is a difference.
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Most people (until you) seemed to understand competing ideas on the possible outcomes of open carry in high traffic, public markets.
I understand the ideas and I also understand there is a huge difference between what you advocate and reality based on actually studying and discussing this issue for a number of years with OCer's and CCer's. Conclusion I've come to is that most who follow your idea have settled into a sense of complacency and as long as the boat isn't rocked too much then everything is fine and dandy. That tactic doesn't work anymore because those who are working to remove the 2A aren't going to use the same old framework that has failed the last decade or so.
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Do you always berate people who don't agree with what you have to say?
Only those who are counting on a tactic that isn't going to work going forward because they aren't keeping up let alone trying to get ahead on this issue.
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If you turn the populace against your cause by your actions those actions were counterproductive. Education and information are not obtained by someone open carrying in Wal-Mart.
Again, that thinking is part of the problem. OC'ing at Wal-Mart isn't an issue. In fact it's more common than you might realize. Part of educating the populace comes through exposure. What exactly is your idea on educating the populace about OC (or CCW and 2A Rights in general) by exercising an approach they can't see. I've met staunch gun rights advocates that also thought if they buy a handgun that they'd have to somehow register it with the state of LA.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:39 pm to Clames
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I understand the ideas and I also understand there is a huge difference between what you advocate and reality based on actually studying and discussing this issue for a number of years with OCer's and CCer's. Conclusion I've come to is that most who follow your idea have settled into a sense of complacency
Whoa there chief. You are doing a hell of a lot of assuming. Second amendment rights are extremely important to me and I'm in no way complacent. We have different ideas of how to maintain our rights.
Stores have a right to prohibit weapons. You'll see more of it in the future if open CC'ers push the limit.
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and as long as the boat isn't rocked too much then everything is fine and dandy. That tactic doesn't work anymore because those who are working to remove the 2A aren't going to use the same old framework that has failed the last decade or so.
Second amendment will not be removed. Private businesses have nothing to do with 2A and can ban at will.
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Do you always berate people who don't agree with what you have to say?
Only those who are counting on a tactic that isn't going to work going forward because they aren't keeping up let alone trying to get ahead on this issue.
You should learn to communicate your point of view without getting pissed.
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If you turn the populace against your cause by your actions those actions were counterproductive. Education and information are not obtained by someone open carrying in Wal-Mart.
Again, that thinking is part of the problem. OC'ing at Wal-Mart isn't an issue. In fact it's more common than you might realize. Part of educating the populace comes through exposure. What exactly is your idea on educating the populace about OC (or CCW and 2A Rights in general)
It's a PR game, not an exposure game. You'll never win by forcing your hand in businesses that have a right to ban firearms, which they can in most states.
Let me show you how La. Open Carry sees the battle should be won.
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LOCAL Mission Statement
"The mission of the Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League (LOCAL) is to support, defend and promote the fact that open carry of firearms is a legal choice in Louisiana. We seek to accomplish this goal by educating the public about the legality of open carry in Louisiana through the existence of our website, producing and distributing literature, organizing open carry campaigns and events, and by actively petitioning our representatives and legislators. Additionally, we seek to be a conduit for personal involvement by interested citizens to become active in their communities, as well as in state-level politics."
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:47 pm to bulldog95
I for one am getting my CC this summer because I like to keep my gun concealed when I'm in my vehicle and because other states recognize our CC but not all states are open carry states.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:50 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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It's idiots like that that will ruin it for everyone else.
People think that just because they have a right to do something, which is protected in the Bill of Rights, that there can't be restrictions placed on that right.
But eventually similar restriction on our 1st Amendment right will be placed on our Second Amendment right.
TIME PLACE MANNER RESTRICTIONS
Limits that government can impose on the occasion, location, and type of individual expression in some circumstances.
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees Freedom of Speech. This guarantee generally safeguards the right of individuals to express themselves without governmental restraint. Nevertheless, the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment is not absolute. It has never been interpreted to guarantee all forms of speech without any restraint whatsoever. Instead, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that state and federal governments may place reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of individual expression. Time, place, and manner (TPM) restrictions accommodate public convenience and promote order by regulating traffic flow, preserving property interests, conserving the environment, and protecting the administration of justice.
There is a reason that you cannot yell "fire!" in a crowded place - it makes people severely uncomfortable and could induce panic. Similarly, I can see where the court may decide that walking through a crowded retail establishment open carrying an AR-15 would make people severely uncomfortable and could induce panic.
This mature and measured response is not supported by the prepper nation and radical gun idiots of which there are a few in this thread.
But, the more the idiots exercise their right (to carry their AR15's in public places) the more govt. will eventually put restrictions on those rights, and we will have the rambo gun idiots to thank. What will they do then ... Go yell fire in a crowded theater holding their copy of the constitution.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:59 pm to munchman
I just want everybody to know who you cc crazies are 
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:02 pm to AlxTgr
sometimes the tip of my grip can be seen inching up out of my pocket.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Whoa there chief. You are doing a hell of a lot of assuming.
No, I'm not. I speak based on years of experience. Maybe not you but there are a HELL of a lot of gun owners that are complacent.
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Private businesses have nothing to do with 2A and can ban at will.
They can (also depends on state laws) but the vast majority don't and for the most part prefer to be neutral on the topic. So you don't want someone to OC at a private business because you're afraid they are forcing a position where the business will react by banning firearms yet want to educate the public about OC'ing. How does something become accepted by not doing it?
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You should learn to communicate your point of view without getting pissed.
That isn't pissed. Not even close. That's your assumption.
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t's a PR game, not an exposure game.
It's both (which I've already stated) and I know that better than most. You think I'm not aware that MAIG and the Brady bunch hire or are lead by former PR exec's? That anti-gun groups are turning more and more towards PR firms to reframe the debate?
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Let me show you how La. Open Carry sees the battle should be won.
Years ahead of you on that one chief. Like I said, I'm not shallowly educated on this topic by any standard. You should take a closer look though.
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organizing open carry campaigns and events, and by actively petitioning our representatives and legislators. Additionally, we seek to be a conduit for personal involvement by interested citizens to become active in their communities, as well as in state-level politics
They OC at Wal-mart too.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:05 pm to munchman
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This mature and measured response is not supported by the prepper nation and radical gun idiots of which there are a few in this thread.
But, the more the idiots exercise their right (to carry their AR15's in public places) the more govt. will eventually put restrictions on those rights, and we will have the rambo gun idiots to thank. What will they do then ... Go yell fire in a crowded theater holding their copy of the constitution.
I dont know about all this rabble rabble bullshite, but i do know that you have been the worst, by far, at conveying your message in a mature, rational manner. You keep talking about slinging ARs over your shoulder in a conversation about carrying a handgun on your hip. STFU with that. Everyone in here thinks those guys are idiots.
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