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re: which OBer open carrying in walmart scaried a customer
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:05 pm to Clames
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:05 pm to Clames
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Again, that thinking is part of the problem. OC'ing at Wal-Mart isn't an issue. In fact it's more common than you might realize. Part of educating the populace comes through exposure. What exactly is your idea on educating the populace about OC (or CCW and 2A Rights in general) by exercising an approach they can't see. I've met staunch gun rights advocates that also thought if they buy a handgun that they'd have to somehow register it with the state of LA.
I believe it is an issue because the anti gun lobby will make it one. Why give them ammunition?
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:11 pm to Whiskey Richard
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You keep talking about slinging ARs over your shoulder in a conversation about carrying a handgun on your hip. STFU with that. Everyone in here thinks those guys are idiots.
You have already demonstrated clearly that you are one of those of which you speak.
Open carry is open carry regardless of the weapon junior.
p.s. Your WalMart application has been approved.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:16 pm to munchman
watch it munch.. he ain't much and ain't werf a shite, but he is my grandson in law.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:18 pm to Ole Geauxt
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watch it munch.. he ain't much and ain't werf a shite
I agree with your assessment...
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:21 pm to Clames
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They can (also depends on state laws) but the vast majority don't and for the most part prefer to be neutral on the topic
If customers complain, they'll ban. Walmart or any other store isn't in the business of making political points, they are in the business of making the majority of their customers happy.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Stores have a right to prohibit weapons. You'll see more of it in the future if open CC'ers push the limit.
correct it is counter productive to the store's main goal -make money
However, making open carry more common place primarily in locations that do not have the ability to ban firearms and secondarily inside of private establishments could desensitize the public. This could lead to less concern in public places and less impact on revenue there. Thus making it a non issue as far as the stores are concerned.
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It's a PR game, not an exposure game. You'll never win by forcing your hand in businesses that have a right to ban firearms, which they can in most states.
As much as I agree with this, recent history concerning other controversial issues and a private establishment's right to refuse service would seem to fly in contrast to that statement.
Look at the cake maker that was forced by the gov to bake a cake for a gay couple.
Look at the catholic school being sued by the lesbian cook who applied and was denied a job
Honestly with the way this country is going we should all start a movement to have firearms seen as sexual partners and creatively change the verbage in a way that makes keeping our sexual partner close to our side in public a part of our very fiber that can not be denied.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:26 pm to munchman
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You have already demonstrated clearly that you are one of those of which you speak.
Clearly you cant read. I see both sides of the argument and havent been inflammatory to anyone in here.
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Open carry is open carry regardless of the weapon junior.
p.s. Your WalMart application has been approved.
You obviously cant refrain from it though. i guess, not being a regular around here, you and clames havent realized we try to have civil discussions on here, without resorting trite retorts about others' professions. Especially when they very well could bring in more than you do
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:26 pm to DanTiger
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I believe it is an issue because the anti gun lobby will make it one. Why give them ammunition?
In the name of educating the public, plenty of gun owners have given ample ammunition to the anti gun faction.
Common sense doesn't appear to be very common. If you frighten customers, stores will ban open carry. If you get enough anti open carry sentiment, local municipalities and states will pass more laws.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Common sense doesn't appear to be very common. If you frighten customers, stores will ban open carry
true
conversely:
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If you get enough open carry sentiment, local municipalities and states will pass more laws protecting it.
fify
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:33 pm to Whiskey Richard
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You obviously cant refrain from it though. i guess, not being a regular around here, you and clames havent realized we try to have civil discussions on here, without resorting trite retorts about others' professions. Especially when they very well could bring in more than you do
You obviously haven't read your posts...
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:35 pm to Bleeding purple
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f you get enough open carry sentiment, local municipalities and states will pass more laws protecting it.
fify
Agree with this, but we seem to disagree on what's prudent or not.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:40 pm to Bleeding purple
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Second amendment rights are extremely important to me and I'm in no way complacent. We have different ideas of how to maintain our rights.
Why do you just want to maintain the already limited(by perception or laws) 2A rights we have...What we want is our total 2A rights restored...not just maintained...
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:57 pm to Pepperidge
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this sums it up...and is why we are having this debate today...
More people define themselves as progressives. Progressivism goes back to Teddy Roosevelt and the chief architect of it in the US, Woodrow Wilson.
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“No doubt a lot of nonsense has been talked about the inalienable rights of the individual, and a great deal that was mere sentiment and pleasing speculation has been put forward as fundamental principle,” wrote Wilson, attacking the very individual rights that have made America great.
He rejected the principles of “separation of powers” and “checks and balances” that are the foundation of American government: “Government does now whatever experience permits or the times demand….” wrote Wilson in The State.
No fan of democracy or constitutional government, he wrote the following in Constitutional Government in the United States: “The President is at liberty, both in law and conscience, to be as big a man as he can. His capacity will set the limit….” Sounds like a devotee of the imperial presidency.
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“The old theory of the sovereignty of the States, which used so to engage our passions, has lost its vitality. The war between the States established at least this principle, that the federal government is, through its courts, the final judge of its own powers... We are impatient of state legislatures because they seem to us less representative of the thoughtful opinion of the country than Congress is. We know that our legislatures do not think alike, but we are not sure that our people do not think alike...”
There's a whole new generation of progressives who think the Constitution is outdated and lost it's usefullness. The only hope to retain individual rights as meant by the founders will be a political backlash against the progressive movement afoot. The future of laws pertaining tot he second amendment will be decided in the voting booth.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:59 pm to Pepperidge
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Why do you just want to maintain the already limited(by perception or laws) 2A rights we have...What we want is our total 2A rights restored...not just maintained...
This is it in a nut shell....but the disagreement is how best to do that.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:59 pm to Pepperidge
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Why do you just want to maintain the already limited(by perception or laws) 2A rights we have...What we want is our total 2A rights restored...not just maintained...
Would you rather lose rights? Because this is a very real possibility in the next 10 years or so.
I've never maintained the status quo is optimal. Not sure where you got that from.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Roger I have mostly replied to you because your answers are civil and well thought out
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Amen...Progressives have ruined this country.
Only disagreement I have with you is about the method to we choose to "restore" our 2A rights...not just "maintain" as some would have.
Only disagreement I have with you is about the method to we choose to "restore" our 2A rights...not just "maintain" as some would have.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I've never maintained the status quo is optimal. Not sure where you got that from.
because "maintain" is the terminology you used...
maintaining is not the same as reclaiming or restoring...maybe a misspeak on your part but I am basing it what you said in a prior post.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:14 pm to Pepperidge
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Only disagreement I have with you is about the method to we choose to "restore" our 2A rights...not just "maintain" as some would have.
The problem is the numbers of progressives are increasing. They figured out years ago that elections have consequences, and through the courts they could have their way. I mentioned this earlier in the thread.
You've got to elect people who'll put those in power and in the courts who value the second amendment rights as much as you do. Until this happens our rights are in serious danger of being eroded and will never be safe.
These people use fear to motivate the voters, and it's very effective. I'm actively volunteering for a strong 2A US Senate candidate here in Ak to replace the incumbent who's under all kinds of pressure from his own party to limit your 2A rights.
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