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re: This pic of an F-150 made it to my Facebook feed...
Posted on 7/23/16 at 4:09 pm to rattlebucket
Posted on 7/23/16 at 4:09 pm to rattlebucket
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Aluminum isn't what it was many years ago
I know what you're getting at. I'm sure the body itself on a new ford is more rigid than a sheet steel one. Like my college professor said, pound for pound pretty much everything is stronger than steel.
My beef with the aluminum body is that it's unnecessary and drives up the cost of the truck. The weight savings are not substantial (the body itself is not 700lbs lighter than a steel one) and it scratches easy. It's a solution to a problem that didn't exist. When's the last time you saw body rust on a truck less than 25 years old?
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Posted on 7/23/16 at 4:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Man, they are chasing weight like race car teams do.
They do it to shave weight to add more creature comforts and meet CAFE goals.
1/2 ton trucks are factored into CAFE. (not 3/4 ton)
Not that I disagree with your points...
They do it to shave weight to add more creature comforts and meet CAFE goals.
1/2 ton trucks are factored into CAFE. (not 3/4 ton)
Not that I disagree with your points...
Posted on 7/23/16 at 4:18 pm to No Colors
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5 years ago, aluminum was about $2200 a ton. Now it's $1500 a ton. So, how ya figure Ford is driving it up?
Aluminum manufacturer of certain goods i affliate with determined this much. Their suppliers specifically named Ford as to the reason. This was convo between me and the plant manager. Take it for what you want.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 5:36 pm to rattlebucket
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Aluminum manufacturer of certain goods i affliate with determined this much. Their suppliers specifically named Ford as to the reason. This was convo between me and the plant manager. Take it for what you want.
Ok. I will take it that you don't know what you're talking about.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 5:44 pm to No Colors
Ok 
Perhaps i dont. This came from a fortune 100 company with $1 billion annual sales in US alone.
Perhaps i dont. This came from a fortune 100 company with $1 billion annual sales in US alone.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 5:44 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The weight savings are not substantial
Tell that to an engineer. GM and Dodge will be doing the same in a matter of years. They'll all go to all-alloy engine blocks like Ford has done too (with the exception of the CGI 2.7L). Just like all are moving away from welding to high strength epoxies to bond body panels and more plastic cladding with each generation. They have to cut weight and they can only do that by using less material or a lower-density one.
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It's a solution to a problem that didn't exist. When's the last time you saw body rust on a truck less than 25 years old?
Come up to the Northeast and you'll see body rust on trucks that aren't even 10 years old.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 7/23/16 at 5:51 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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When's the last time you saw body rust on a truck less than 25 years old?
Go north and you will see 10 year old steel body F150s with rust through on the body around the wheel wells, rocker, cab corners.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 5:59 pm to finchmeister08
Friend of mine in Pennsylvania had a pic the other day of an f150 that hit a guideline in the same position. Sheered the right side of the truck in much the same way.
I couldn't get the idiots to understand that any currently made vehicle would have faired the same way.
If a cable under a load snaps, I don't care of the truck is made of adamantium and mithril... the cable is going where it wants.
I couldn't get the idiots to understand that any currently made vehicle would have faired the same way.
If a cable under a load snaps, I don't care of the truck is made of adamantium and mithril... the cable is going where it wants.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 6:03 pm to Clames
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Just like all are moving away from welding to high strength epoxies to bond body panels
I was against that until I tried to dismantle a set of Denso seat rails to plop some scion seats into an offroader.
I broke the welds without issue, it took hours with a torch to handle that epoxy.
Suzuki was gluing body panels 30 years ago, it makes weld look like silly putty.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 7:19 pm to Clames
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Come up to the Northeast and you'll see body rust on trucks that aren't even 10 years old.
One of the problems with salting roads.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 7:26 pm to finchmeister08
Brand new but sure had them mud grips on there!
Posted on 7/23/16 at 7:43 pm to jimbeam
I would love to pick up them tires for a discount
Posted on 7/23/16 at 7:57 pm to X123F45
I think the F-150 would look great without paint like American airlines planes.
I guess it would need a clear coat to keep the aluminum from oxidizing and dulling.
I guess it would need a clear coat to keep the aluminum from oxidizing and dulling.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:11 pm to weadjust
My buddy's 09 F150 has a lot of spots underneath the rocker panels that just fell out. You could see through the bottom bedsides behind the cab. He had to tell me to stop touching stuff because the underside of his truck was just falling off when I did. He got his truck from a guide in Venice, but it is literally falling apart at 7 years old.
My 04 Silverado lived most of its life in PA. No rust on body panels, but it has a fair amount on the gooseneck frame and truck crossmember behind that. Everything else is perfect
My 04 Silverado lived most of its life in PA. No rust on body panels, but it has a fair amount on the gooseneck frame and truck crossmember behind that. Everything else is perfect
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:12 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Every single day of my life. Trucks in Minnesota/Wisconsin rust out with the quickness. It's not crazy to see a 6-8yr truck with rust issues.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:17 am to No Colors
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5 years ago aluminum was about 2200 a ton. Now it's $1500 a ton. So, how ya figure Ford is driving it up? Obviously you have some insight into base metal commodity trades. So, enlighten us?
Basically all metals are cheap right now. I used to work in the recycling industry in high school and regular scrap would bring $10-12 per 100. Nowadays it's $3-4 per 100 pounds. Aluminum has tanked as well along with copper and all other non ferrous materials.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 7:48 am to texag7
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scrap would bring $10-12 per 100. Nowadays it's $3-4 per 100 pounds. Aluminum has tanked as well along with copper and all other non ferrous materials.
shite is terrible right now. I used to scrap water heaters all the time, get $5-10 per unit, now they are worth virtually nothing.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 8:25 am to Clames
Sounds like a Yankee problem that I will not concern myself with.
I think I asked this question before, but how much less does the body of a 2016 F150 weigh than a 2014 body of the same configuration?
I think I asked this question before, but how much less does the body of a 2016 F150 weigh than a 2014 body of the same configuration?
Posted on 7/24/16 at 9:58 am to Hammertime
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My 04 Silverado lived most of its life in PA. No rust on body panels, but it has a fair amount on the gooseneck frame and truck crossmember behind that. Everything else is perfect
It sounds like your truck was taken care of so you're lucky. There's plenty of GM's here in Kansas with rust issues from that generation. I know cause I've been shopping around for a good used project truck. Here all brands have rust issues if they're over 10 to 15 years old.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:57 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I think I asked this question before, but how much less does the body of a 2016 F150 weigh than a 2014 body of the same configuration?
700 lbs total vehicle weight for Screw. The weights actually do not vary much between the engine configs.
I love my '16 F150 more every day. The light-on-its-feet feeling is what sold me on it in the first place. It drives like a lighter luxury SUV.
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