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re: Spring Weed Guide For Lawns
Posted on 8/19/15 at 9:49 pm to LSUCooper
Posted on 8/19/15 at 9:49 pm to LSUCooper
I've got torpedo grass trying to take over my centipede lawn. I hit it with Vantage Saturday evening. How long before I should start seeing the torpedo grass start to brown? And how long I should wait before I hit it again?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:17 am to BMF1982
Label says visible results within three weeks...When is the last time you cut the lawn? Yields best results by not cutting 7 days before treatment, and not until 14 days after treatment.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:37 am to bootlegger
I cut it 6 days before and haven't cut it since I sprayed. Though it will be hard to wait 14 days to cut. My unaffected centipede will be a foot tall.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 1:38 pm to BMF1982
Alright, I'm ready to attempt better lawning through chemistry this year.
I have a large yard in East Texas. I very little shade and relatively acidic sandy loam soil. I have a combination of Bermuda, Centipede, and St Augustine mixed lawn thanks to the previous owners. I do have a sprinkler system and generally mow twice weekly.
I also have various weeds and grasses growing into the lawn. I have seen all of the following in my lawn and have the most troubles with the bolded ones: Clover, Henbit, Yellow Woodsorrel, Prostrate Spurge, Nutsedge, Sandbur, Purselane, occasional Plantain and Dandelion, POA, Hairy Bittercress, Winter Buttercup, Crabgrass, Dalligrass, and what I think is Torpedo grass recently.
Some of these have also been identified in the flower beds but for the most part mechanical removal or glyophosphate painting application has sufficed there.
So, where do I start?
PH testing?
What chemicals and when?
I have a large yard in East Texas. I very little shade and relatively acidic sandy loam soil. I have a combination of Bermuda, Centipede, and St Augustine mixed lawn thanks to the previous owners. I do have a sprinkler system and generally mow twice weekly.
I also have various weeds and grasses growing into the lawn. I have seen all of the following in my lawn and have the most troubles with the bolded ones: Clover, Henbit, Yellow Woodsorrel, Prostrate Spurge, Nutsedge, Sandbur, Purselane, occasional Plantain and Dandelion, POA, Hairy Bittercress, Winter Buttercup, Crabgrass, Dalligrass, and what I think is Torpedo grass recently.
Some of these have also been identified in the flower beds but for the most part mechanical removal or glyophosphate painting application has sufficed there.
So, where do I start?
PH testing?
What chemicals and when?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 2:09 pm to Bleeding purple
I wouldn't try to zap anything this late in the growing season, unless you REALLY want to get rid of it...and if so, just spot treat it.
I'd start by laying down some Simazine around Thanksgiving to prevent the Poa from ever germinating.
Trimec or similar broadleaf killer in the spring should take care of the clover, spurge, purslane, plantian, etc as far as the broadleaves go.
A February application of Dimension, Drive, or any other crabrass preventer should keep the crabgrass and sandbur at bay.
A pH test will determine any liming needed in the spring as well. (Use pelletized dolomitic lime).
Anything much further will probably require you to choose which turf grass you want to keep, as Bermuda and Centipede/St Aug will require different application rates and fertilizer ratios to get the job done.
I'd start by laying down some Simazine around Thanksgiving to prevent the Poa from ever germinating.
Trimec or similar broadleaf killer in the spring should take care of the clover, spurge, purslane, plantian, etc as far as the broadleaves go.
A February application of Dimension, Drive, or any other crabrass preventer should keep the crabgrass and sandbur at bay.
A pH test will determine any liming needed in the spring as well. (Use pelletized dolomitic lime).
Anything much further will probably require you to choose which turf grass you want to keep, as Bermuda and Centipede/St Aug will require different application rates and fertilizer ratios to get the job done.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 2:48 pm to bootlegger
quote:
Anything much further will probably require you to choose which turf grass you want to keep, as Bermuda and Centipede/St Aug will require different application rates and fertilizer ratios to get the job done.
I don't really have a preference, honestly.
The St Augustine is sensitive to so many chemicals it makes it difficult to care for. It also requires more water in the hot months. Then the speed at which it can create vertical biomass means more raking and bagging. I do think it is a prettier lawn though.
The Bermuda wont get as tall but will seed out pretty quickly if not mowed weekly. It is also much more invasive in the flower beds. It does feel better under your bare feet too. And seems to be more drought tolerant.
what would you suggest and why?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:09 pm to Bleeding purple
Centipede is nicknamed the "lazy man's grass" for a reason: pH variant tolerant, drought tolerant, requires little fertilizer, etc... But I love Bermuda. Bermuda maintenance is my livelihood. If I had more hours of sunlight on my lawn at home, I'd go Bermuda. It is way more labor-intensive, but man is it a fine lawn. If you go the Bermuda route, you'll always have me as a reference for info
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:18 pm to bootlegger
Later this week I'm gonna post some pics to make sure I identified my grasses correctly. Thanks for the advice.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 1:10 pm to BMF1982
Two weeks ago I hit my centipede/torpedo grass front lawn with round 1 of Vantage and within the week I saw it browning. I noticed yesterday after picking dallasgrass seed heads before I cut, that I don't have any dallasgras where I sprayed the Vantage. Potato-Pumped up and will spot treat other areas of dallasgrass patches.
Since the torpedo grass is in 1 area of my front yard, I'm pretty sure it came from a load of dirt that I had dumped to build my flower beds up, patch holes in the back yard and turtle back off of the concrete where my shed's awning is.
Since the torpedo grass is in 1 area of my front yard, I'm pretty sure it came from a load of dirt that I had dumped to build my flower beds up, patch holes in the back yard and turtle back off of the concrete where my shed's awning is.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:54 am to CootDisCootDat
bootlegger...Can you give us a primer on what we need to put down-and when-for pre-emergent? I know that once the yard goes into dormancy the pre-emergent will help prevent next year's weed's before they happen.
What should we use? When should we use it? What do you recommend?
What should we use? When should we use it? What do you recommend?
Posted on 10/12/15 at 12:08 pm to CootDisCootDat
Just FYI, I finally went after the nut sedge in my back yard. I'd going to do it in steps, because most of my back yard is inundated with the crap.
I use HI-YIELD brand nut sedge killer. I followed the instructions on the package, and DAMN that stuff works. It's a little cheaper than sedgehammer. A $10 pack treats 1000sq feet. Good stuff, I just wanted to pass on the info.
ETA: After killing all of the sedge in an area, I learned that I have Bermuda and St. Aug.
I use HI-YIELD brand nut sedge killer. I followed the instructions on the package, and DAMN that stuff works. It's a little cheaper than sedgehammer. A $10 pack treats 1000sq feet. Good stuff, I just wanted to pass on the info.
ETA: After killing all of the sedge in an area, I learned that I have Bermuda and St. Aug.
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:02 pm to CoachChappy
Does anyone recommend anything on centipede grass over the winter? I have a half bag of Scotts Turfbuilder from the old house that I was thinking about spreading when it gets cooler. This is the first winter for this new sod. It was laid in March when the house was built and I didn't touch it with anything. I have patches of various weeds, but they are maintained with my regular grass cutting. Crabgrass is the only thing I recognize in spots around the house.
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:16 pm to TigerTatorTots
Boot, what do I need to put out now as a pre-emergent to keep clovers and other weeds out in the spring?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 6:22 am to ChadJones4Heisman
I have Bermuda, and am getting ready to put some dimension down, Cappy wait till you get some buttonweed that shite is tuff to get rid of, I bout got it under control
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:16 am to GFunk
Great bump, because it is time to start prepping for the off season. The good thing is that these pre emergent herbicides are pretty much a "one and done" type ordeal...
Bayer Specticle FLO is one of the best out there right now for our warm season turf types we have in the south...Safe on Bermuda, Zoysia, buffalo, Bahia, St Augustine, and Centipede. It inhibits annual grasses, sedges, and broadleaf weeds. Depending on which grass you have, it is applied at 6-10 ounces per acre, and should be done before Thanksgiving.
*for optimum crabgrass control, a second application a month and a half after initial application is recommended
Simazine is another (and cheaper) pre emergent that yields great results preventing annual bluegrass, crabgrass, etc. but is not effective on clovers. Apply at 1-2 quarts per acre (I use 2 quarts, unless it is newly sprigged or sodded lawn)before Thanksgiving.
Concentrate on getting these pre emergent down to combat the annual bluegrass and crabgrass. Most broadleaf weeds like clover, spurge, lespedeza, etc. are easily handled in the spring with a Trimec or Speedzone product.
Bayer Specticle FLO is one of the best out there right now for our warm season turf types we have in the south...Safe on Bermuda, Zoysia, buffalo, Bahia, St Augustine, and Centipede. It inhibits annual grasses, sedges, and broadleaf weeds. Depending on which grass you have, it is applied at 6-10 ounces per acre, and should be done before Thanksgiving.
*for optimum crabgrass control, a second application a month and a half after initial application is recommended
Simazine is another (and cheaper) pre emergent that yields great results preventing annual bluegrass, crabgrass, etc. but is not effective on clovers. Apply at 1-2 quarts per acre (I use 2 quarts, unless it is newly sprigged or sodded lawn)before Thanksgiving.
Concentrate on getting these pre emergent down to combat the annual bluegrass and crabgrass. Most broadleaf weeds like clover, spurge, lespedeza, etc. are easily handled in the spring with a Trimec or Speedzone product.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:21 am to ole man
I like Dimension, but because it specifically says on the label that it is not intended for homeowner use, I didn't want to recommend it.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:27 am to bootlegger
Any advice on that virginia buttonweed? I've been fighting it for a couple years now with no success.
TIA
TIA
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:32 am to Loubacca
Catch it as early as you can in the spring. Once it starts to flower in the summer, it willy be too hardy to kill, and you can only hope to suppress it.
WeedFree Zone, Trimec, or SpeedZone at first sight of it. Repeat until dead or temps surpass 90 degrees. If you can buy it, MSM (metsulfuron) works well too.
WeedFree Zone, Trimec, or SpeedZone at first sight of it. Repeat until dead or temps surpass 90 degrees. If you can buy it, MSM (metsulfuron) works well too.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:04 am to ChadJones4Heisman
If anyone doubts the effects of a good pre emergent, here is a swath that I missed with Simazine a few years back...the winter weeds will tell on you if you miss a spot
And here is that same spot (from a different angle) giving me trouble with spring weeds as well
And here is that same spot (from a different angle) giving me trouble with spring weeds as well
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