re: New Rifle won't group - Need Help

Wont be me, but I'm just sayin...

You'd lose that bet.

That rifle can shoot tighter groups than that with open sights.

I don't think faxis likes your rail.


Loose mounts would be my first guess, but you said you checked them, right? If not, check rings, mounts, and rail.

If its a brand new rifle, sometimes it takes a box of ammo to break the barrel in. I'd think you'd still get better groups than that, but maybe not. Hunker down on all mounts and try another few rounds.

If not, it may be the Indian, not the arrow.

remington



theres your problem

Many thanks for the feedback fellas. I will be exploring all avenues and I'll make an update the next time I'm out there.

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Another thing when you shot and then said one click, that is only 1/4 inch at 100 yards

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The scope is set up with 1/10 Mil turrets, which is .36 inch at 100 yards.

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If I hadnt read your story and just looked at the pics I'd actually say it was the shooter.

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That's a fair diagnosis. Problem is I can do much better with my Winchester M70 (7 mag). Still, it is a possibility which needs to be eliminated from the troubleshooting checklist. Next time out I will be bringing multiple rifles and lots of tools so I can start swapping scopes and the dreaded rail.

I have seen a gunsmith, friends step dad, do a demonstration with a gun where he slid a piece of paper between the barrel and stock. It slid great while cold. He started putting rounds through it and repeating the paper slide. The paper would bind more and more, on one side and the bottom while the gap on the other side increased - moving all over the place, as the barrel heated up. He was shocked the gun was such a POS, the barrel must have had inclusions or non homogeneous metal.

He was hired to sight the gun in, something which no one could do.

You have to get the mounts aligned correctly also. You can probably look that up on youtube how to do it with a laser and a bar. And don't forget the torque screwdriver. If you get that part right, and it's still doing it, slap a different scope on it and see what happens.

Honestly, that might should be the first thing you should do just to eliminate it before you start working your way down. I'm not a fan of the rail, but that doesn't mean that's absolutely the problem.

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Starting with the most simplest, are you positive that all the screws on the base and rings are tight? Maybe check them and dap a little lok tite on them. I would start by taking everything off and then reinstalling rail, rings, and scope. If the problem persists then different ammo may help. If it still slings lead all over, may be a defect in scope. I know it's a very expensive scope, but like you said, human error can still occur in manufacturing.

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I'll add a few other thoughts.
1. I'd FIRST rule out a problem w/ the scope, rings or base. I'm not familiar either w/ that scope, rings and base. Unfortunately, just because something's expensive doesn't make it immune to having a problem. Change to a scope on one of your other guns, a scope you KNOW to be reliable and accurate.
2. Remount the base, using BLUE Loc-Tite (NOT red). I'm not familiar w/ rails as I've never needed one. I always use the $10 Weaver bases, even on my prairie dog handguns. Easy, and cheap enough, to try your rifle w/ a Weaver base.
3. Remount the rings. I don't use Loc-Tite on the rings. If the rings have not been lapped, do so. If you don't have the equipment to lap them or don't feel comfortable doing it, change the rings to Burris Signature Z-Rings (the ones w/ plastic inserts).
4. Check for any high spots in the barrel channel or action part of the stock. (Sounds like you've already done this).
5. Some guns don't shoot well w/ a free floated barrel. Create a pressure point on the barrel at the front tip of your stock by putting 1-2 business cards at the very front of the stock in the barrel channel.
6. Check the action screws.
7. Use a torque wrench (and follows it's recs) to adjust the mount, rings and action screws.
8. Try different ammo. Sometimes a gun barrel needs more than 3-4 shots w/ a particular load before it starts shooting it well.
9. I don't worry to awfully much about letting a barrel cool down entirely between shots. A well bedded gun should be reasonably accurate even w/ a hot barrel.
10. Be sure the crown is not damaged.
11. If it's not reasonably improved w/ the above, I bet it's a more serious problem w/ the barrel/action itself. Good luck and keep us updated.

ETA: Before installing the scope base w/ Loc-Tite, individually check the length of each screw. Put the base in place, then screw in a screw into the intended hole. If the base is not TIGHT, the screw is too long. If the screw is too long, cut off the excess w/ a Dremel tool or get a new screw. It should have a minimum of 3 threads for it to have adequate strength. If it doesn't, replace it. Repeat this step w/ each screw in a different hole.