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CP3
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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Suppressor made it through 540 rounds of continuous full auto. No rifle malfunctions



pointdog33
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Boat Motor Bandit
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
bout 600 to 700


saltwaterdawg
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
That's with a military spec barrel, I would think an AR would be made to a different spec than a gun designed for full auto. I could be wrong,as I usually am.


Glock17
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
Just heard in tv that the NRA is in agreement that bumpfire stocks should be subject to additional regulation


gsvar2004
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
Can't believe the NRA went there. That's the first "inch" in my opinion.


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BayouBengal51
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
That is the NRA as usual after something terrible happens, caving to misdirected criticism and going the sheeple route instead of standing tall.

That is why i support the SFA and the GOA. The NRA has shown before they are willing to sell out and give away a piece of your rights in order to save some political capital.

But hey keep buying lifetime memberships and duffle bags so they can continue to make a fortune and cave in the face of public pressure.
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Ace Midnight
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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My question is this, how many rounds can be shot out of an AR with a bump Stock


Generally going to be magazine capacity without much issue - recall the AR-15 is based off a military assault rifle design. Now, are you going to do better in the civilian market with an H-Bar? Sure. A good rule of thumb is the maximum sustained ROF for the platform - 12 to 15 rounds per minute is the most you can sustain over time - meaning you can get by with a few bursts of 3, 5, 7, 10 or so - a mag dump (because the barrel will get a break while you're changing), but if you pursue the weapons cyclical rate of fire - not just the barrel, but the gas system, everything about the gun will start to break down under this abuse.

You would only get 10 or so minutes of performance at burst rate, maybe - if all goes well and the water doesn't rise, probably just a few minutes, if that at maximum cyclical rate of fire (which for the platform could be 750 to, maybe, 900 rounds per minute under ideal circumstances).
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Propagandalf
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
I wouldn't start lighting the torches yet. This is what I saw:

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"The National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law,"


Any device that turns a semi auto gun into a select fire gun is itself a machine gun. Examples would be a DIAS or even a shoestring in some examples. The BATFE has already reviewed Slidefire type stocks and based on technical definitions has ruled them to not be machine guns. The NRA knows this and knows what the answer to the "called for review" is based on the technical definitions of machine guns.

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"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."


function like fully-automatic rifles. In order to function like a fully automatic rifle which by definition would be - Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. Since a bump stock does not make the host weapon shoot more than one shot by a single function of the trigger is would not be what the NRA stated as a type of device designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles.

It would be nearly impossible to make a law banning a certain rate of semi-auto fire. There's just too many factors that play into how fast someone can shoot a gun. Someone would have to invent a limiting device for every gun. Now, if the NRA did back a law to ban the stock, after rightfully finding it is, by absolute definition, not a firearm or machine gun and does not fall under the jurisdiction of the ATF, that would be a treacherous decision to do so.
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Clames
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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That's with a military spec barrel, I would think an AR would be made to a different spec than a gun designed for full auto. I could be wrong,as I usually am.


Military-spec barrels are often inferior to what can be optioned in civilian rifles. One of my AR's uses the M249 SAW spec barrel blank, tougher steel and double the hard chrome plating thickness. The other is a non-HC lined heavy barrel. Both will hold up better than current standard issue M4's and M16's. The barrels are not the failure point in any case, the gas tubes rupture long before the barrels fail. When the barrels do go it's in the vicinity of the gas port which erodes from under the gas block.


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bbvdd
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Because that's totally a reasonable comparison....


You want a reasonable comparison?

Alcohol. 88k people die every year from alcohol related deaths. That's almost 3 times as many as die from guns.

32k die due to guns

19,200 of those are suicides
960 are accidental
1,280 are justified
8,450 are gang related

That leaves around 1,700 homicides

88k due to alcohol and of those 12-14k are due to drunk drivers.

Why do we need alcohol? Bring back prohibition. After all it isn't "needed"

and to the other questioning why we "need" AR-15s?
Quite possibly the best home defense weapon there is.
It takes the Sheriff department 30 minutes to get to my house when they're called. 30 min. Think you can hold some one off for 30 min that's trying to get to your family?


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Hammertime
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
I think the whole bump stock issue is just a "meh" in many gun owner's minds. I sure as shite don't care about them, and know a bunch of other people who don't either. They're pretty much pointless IMHO (unless you just feel like wasting rounds). It's kind of a non-issue, and nobody really cares.

While I don't support the NRA, they may be using this as a chance for leverage against something else. Who knows with those goons in Washington?


Propagandalf
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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I think the whole bump stock issue is just a "meh" in many gun owner's minds. I sure as shite don't care about them, and know a bunch of other people who don't either. They're pretty much pointless IMHO (unless you just feel like wasting rounds). It's kind of a non-issue, and nobody really cares.


While I agree most gun owners were probably not interested in bump stocks before all of this happened, I just can't get behind that line of thinking. It's a step in the wrong direction for 2A and has the potential to open the door to future regulations on portions of 2A that you may care about. These decisions, no matter how little you care about them, set precedents. If you let them erode away the portions of your rights that you don't care about, you're not going to have a whole lot to stand on when they come for the ones you do care about.


Hammertime
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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has the potential to open the door to future regulations on portions of 2A that you may care about
Like what? I mean, you theoretically just pull back the trigger once and hold on, and it'll keep shooting until it's done. I don't really care about that. It is a useless accessory IMHO, so I could take it or leave it.

It has no bearing on what I do. Until something does, I don't need to worry about it


ChatRabbit77
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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It has no bearing on what I do. Until something does, I don't need to worry about it

Lmao, this is the line of thinking that got 7n6 banned.


terd ferguson
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
Just looked at Midway and the Slide Fire site. Looks like everybody has suspended sales as of now.


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Propagandalf
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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I mean, you theoretically just pull back the trigger once and hold on, and it'll keep shooting until it's done. I don't really care about that. It is a useless accessory IMHO, so I could take it or leave it.


Just to calrify, you also have to pull forward with the right amount of force using your support hand to get the bump fire effect, and you pull the trigger for every round fired, not just once.

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Like what?

Like anything. Pistol braces, concealed carry, magazine capacity, scary rifle features like pistol grips and adjustable stocks, silencers, SBR/SBS, just to name a few of the things on the list to take. What premise would this ban be passed under, and what precedents for taking things in the future would that set? It's not about the bump stock, its about the precedent being set and the principle being violated. The erosion process of your rights.

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It has no bearing on what I do. Until something does, I don't need to worry about it


It may not have a direct bearing, but it certainly has indirect bearing on what you do.
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hogdaddy
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
What the going price, I might have a dozen of slide fire for sale.


Propagandalf
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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What the going price, I might have a dozen of slide fire for sale.


check gunbroker.


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Hammertime
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
You're reaching a little far man. You are basically saying that if you give up bump stocks, the government will be coming for your tennis shoes next.

I have no idea what premise they would pass it under, maybe its own. I'm not a lawyer. I said that I don't care if they get banned, and probably > 100 million people don't either, so it isn't as big of an issue as you make it out to be. They just don't affect people, so people don't care.


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