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Propagandalf
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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I'm not going to spell out the statistics for you. More bullets = more likely strikes when firing into a large crowd. That's the gist of it.


So no evidence, just opinion. Got it.

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This type of nonsensical, obtuse argument is why I chose to be obtuse with the concealed carry statement. Are you really going to act like the high rate of fire this dude achieved didn't have any impact on the number of casualties?


No, I'm asserting that any rate of fire would result in mass casualties in the given instance. That ANY long gun would have still created the same result. But, mostly stating that you are an absolute fool for believing that any gun is inherently "more dangerous" than another because they are inanimate objects, tools, as good or as bad as the hands in which they lie. The shooter had intent to do harm, planned it out, acquired supplies and traveled to carry out his acts. If you think any text written on paper would have stopped him you are wrong. Furthermore, you are a fool for wanting to forfeit your rights out of fear and ignorance.


Jester
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
So, he did no more harm with multiple black rifles with bump stocks than he would have done with the same number of bolt action .270s? That's asinine.


Propagandalf
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Member since May 2010
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
Let's for a second say that your statement is true and the use of a "safe" gun, like a bolt action .270, would have resulted in marginally fewer casualties. That would've been OK with you in the sense you wouldn't be here advocating common sense gun regulations? Would that have made you look at the situation as a person doing evil instead of trying to blame an inanimant object? Would that have instead made you ask the question whats wrong with the country that's driving this trend and what can we do to fix it? I'll give you a hint, it's not the guns. People have been able to legally own guns since their inception and machine guns since the late 1800s to present and mass shootings are a recent trend.

As for the question about the .270 bolt action, we'll never know because that's not how it happened. What I do know is that a .270 at 300yds would have a more devastating impact on a crowd of people than a 5.56 round because of it's superior ballistics and terminal ballistic characteristics. Add in controlled fire, better shot placement, the wide availability of magazine fed bolt actions such as the OB fave Tikka T3 and the fact that bolt action rifles were once the most fielded infantry rifle in the world and you could make a good case the damage could have been equal or more.

I hear your shtick, but what's your point; what's your endgame? Do you truly believe if bump fire stocks were banned it would have prevented this? PREVENTED. Would he have used another gun? Would he have used other means? Because if it still happens, people still lose their lives and it's the same amount of tragedy. The pro-gun anti-gunners are the worst of them. Your arguments are so contradictory they dont make sense. At least the anti-gunners are consistent because whether somone views guns as too dangerous for the public or not, it's mutually exclusive. You cant reasonably argue one gun is dangerous because it has the potential to kill X number of people but another gun is OK because it can only kill Y people.


LongueCarabine
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Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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Lot more going on here than meets the eye...but as a gun owner many times over and DEVOUT 2nd Amendment guy I also realize that there is no need for bump stocks or trigger crank devices for semi autos. I'll gladly give these up to appease the far left in order to keep my other gun rights.


First off, no, you're not a devout 2nd Amendment guy. And if you think the left is going to stop at AR's, bump stocks, or trigger cranks, you are deluding yourself.

After every publicized shooting they want to go further and further, taking rights away from those who didn't commit the crime.


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LongueCarabine
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Not that it would matter in this case, as the shooter was hundreds of yards away and elevated, but most concerts tend to be labeled “gun free zones.”


This. I'm pretty sure I read that this concert was a gun free zone.


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LongueCarabine
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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Exactly, the faster he can get off rounds, the more people he can kill/injure. I normally am one to argue that a FA gun is no more deadly than being effecient with shots in semi auto, but in this case with 22k people packed so dense, FA (or bump stock loophole FA), it really was just about getting off as many rounds as you can, as fast as you can


If this turd had used disciplined semi-auto fire instead of waving a bullet-hose around, he would have killed a lot more people.


Nawlens Gator
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Member since Sep 2005
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
Like fully automatic rifles (machine guns), I think these bump stocks and other devices that render a gun to have similar fully automatic capabilities, should be out lawed.

I was wrong. Fully automatic ownership is regulated
by ATF. Bump stocks get around this regulation. I wouldn't be surprised if more regulations are not forthcoming as a result of this massacre.

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ChatRabbit77
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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Like fully automatic rifles (machine guns), I think these bump stocks and other devices that render a gun fully automatic should be out lawed.

Why?


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Propagandalf
LSU Fan
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Member since May 2010
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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Like fully automatic rifles (machine guns), I think these bump stocks and other devices that render a gun fully automatic should be out lawed.


Bump stocks do not render a gun fully automatic and are not required to get the "bump fire" effect. You're clearly out of your league on the topic and speaking for a point of ignorance. But keep watching CNN, one day they might report something that's true.
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Nawlens Gator
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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. You're clearly out of your league on the topic and speaking for a point of ignorance.


Right, and you're such a genius. My opinion is a rifle that cam be modified to fire more than about 2 rounds a second is no longer a sporting rifle and should be outlawed, as are fully automatic rifles.

Fully automatic gun ownership is regulated by ATF I now see. I didn't think private ownership was possible but I was wrong.

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Propagandalf
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
That logic of 2 rounds per second would disqualify every semi automatic firearm. And for the record, machine guns are not outlawed and are legal to own. Again, you're out of your league, bub.


ChatRabbit77
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Member since May 2013
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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Right, and you're such a genius. My opinion is a rifle that cam be modified to fire more than about 2 rounds a second is no longer a sporting rifle and should be outlawed, as are fully automatic rifles.

Since when is the 2A about sporting? If you didn't hunt when it was created, you didn't eat. It has nothing to do with hunting or sporting. It is for stopping people who want to do you harm including a tyrannical government.


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ChatRabbit77
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Again, you're out of your league, bub.



Nawlens Gator
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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And for the record, machine guns are not outlawed and are legal to own.


LongueCarabine
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Member since Jan 2011
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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And for the record, machine guns are not outlawed and are legal to own.



He's right, you know. Perhaps you should do some research about it before spouting off.


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jimbeam
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
Why the hell should your opinion matter. You are wrong.


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DeoreDX
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
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That logic of 2 rounds per second would disqualify every semi automatic firearm


With practice you could get 2 shots off in a second with a bolt action.


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jdavid1
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Jester




pointdog33
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Member since Jan 2012
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
What gun control victories has the left ever had?

Assault ban that didn't really ban anything due to grandfathering?

Making background checks take a little longer?

Some y'all act like confiscation is coming tomorrow, but they can't even get anything banned.

I still have my aks, ars, handguns, and can get as much ammo as I want; that is until the run on ammo happens again because of the false fear of "dey takin' er guns"


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saltwaterdawg
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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves
My question is this, how many rounds can be shot out of an AR with a bump Stock before the barrel becomes so hot it is deformed or so hot it cooks one off in the chamber? I know after shooting a 30 round mag you cannot touch the barrel.


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