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Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:09 pm to Napoleon
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the ford 5.4
Hasn't been produced since 2009
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:16 pm to shawnlsu
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Hasn't been produced since 2009
Not in the F150, but it was in the Expedition until 2015.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:19 pm to shawnlsu
I know, but the longevity claims come from long term reliability.
That's what the small print usually says. They are making that claim based on the amount of old trucks still titled.
It's what the award and the claim is based on.
That's what the small print usually says. They are making that claim based on the amount of old trucks still titled.
It's what the award and the claim is based on.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:23 pm to stlslick
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not one single issue
This is such an over exaggeration that everyone uses to justify their choice of car in everyone one of these threads. It's highly dependent upon how long you keep the car, your level of preventative maintenance, driving style, and even the climate you live in.
I've owned a Honda for ten years that never had an engine problem, but it had numerous recalls and minor issues. The paint failed after only a few years, and the OEM clutch went out twice at almost exactly 50k mi of use.
My wife's Hyundai is 5 years old and has never once been in the shop. If we sold it today, then sure I could claim that it never had an issue. However, if we hang onto it for another 5 years I may not be able to say that.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:30 pm to TigerGman
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Japan and Germany autoworkers aren't unionized?
Same amount of Germans and Americans on that list.
50 Japanese, 25% Korean for the win.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:35 pm to stlslick
quote:agreed...in fact sometimes their opinion is complete shite when it comes to automobiles.
And Consumer Reports is hardly an unbiased opinion.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:44 pm to LNCHBOX
Unions.
If it wasn't for unions, America would be known for reliable and top notch vehicles.
You can thank General Douglas MacArthur for rebuilding Japan's economy after we bombed them to oblivion. He sent some geniuses over there and japan started producing quality vehicles. America had to step up the quality but unions didn't wanna work harder for the same pay. And the car companies couldn't increase the wages because they couldn't outsell foreign vehicles. So it forced the unions to either increase quality or lose their jobs
If it wasn't for unions, America would be known for reliable and top notch vehicles.
You can thank General Douglas MacArthur for rebuilding Japan's economy after we bombed them to oblivion. He sent some geniuses over there and japan started producing quality vehicles. America had to step up the quality but unions didn't wanna work harder for the same pay. And the car companies couldn't increase the wages because they couldn't outsell foreign vehicles. So it forced the unions to either increase quality or lose their jobs
Posted on 2/16/17 at 3:46 pm to Honky Lips
Seems like Honda should be on that list
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:03 pm to stlslick
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And Consumer Reports is hardly an unbiased opinion.
Consumer Reports polls their members for their information. While not necessarily accurate stats you cannot say it is biased either.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:04 pm to Honky Lips
Isn't Buick American?
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Isn't Buick American?
Read the whole OP
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:29 pm to Honky Lips
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If Buick makes the list, why not Chevrolet? Again, same company.
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buicks are German engineered (rebranded Opels). not the same car as Chevrolet at all.
I thought they were based on the same platform?
Current and announced vehicles built on Epsilon II:
2008–present Opel Insignia, Buick Regal (saloon, hatchback, estate) (SWB)
2010–present Buick LaCrosse/Alpheon (LWB)
2010–2012 Saab 9-5 (LWB)
2012–present Roewe 950 (LWB)[2]
2012–present Chevrolet Malibu, Holden Malibu (SWB)
2012–present Cadillac XTS (LWB)
2014–present Chevrolet Impala (LWB)
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:35 pm to Honky Lips
Honda not on the list.
How the mighty have fallen...
How the mighty have fallen...
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:57 pm to Honky Lips
About all I've ever owned has been American cars. I don't understand the complaints of reliability among them, I've never had complaints to make. They've all lasted a long time, I've had very few issues other than general maintenance.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:00 pm to Honky Lips
Today, reliability isn't much of a drop off compared to 20-30 years ago.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 5:13 pm to ldts
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I've had very few issues other than general maintenance.
And that's the context most that put their faith in these lists are ignorant of. American vehicles have no problem being as reliable as import brands, Americans just have a problem doing the regular maintenance on them. Americans, on average, pay less attention to vehicle maintenance than Europeans and Japanese do but the difference narrows slighly when the American is buying an import brand vehicle. They paid more for it so they pay more attention to the maintenance. It's also known that such buyers will play down irregular issues to maintain the veneer of reliability they've bought into. I've had the door fall off the hinges of a Toyota Camry, an engine throw a connecting rod in a Toyota 4Runner, and both Mercedes cars my parents have owned have had electrical problems and transmission mounts replaced at around 30k miles.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 2/16/17 at 6:41 pm to Honky Lips
America engineers downwardly to keep vehicles from lasting too long. It's intentional.
They actually spend a lot of time figuring out which car parts should break, and when, so that consumers will not think too badly of their existing vehicle , but will want to buy a new car to get that new car look, feel, sound, and smell.
For the Dodges it's probably interior trim pieces, dashboard stuff, and squeaky suspension.
The idea is that car owners will think that their car was a good one, a quality car, but that it just wore out and needs to be replaced.
They actually spend a lot of time figuring out which car parts should break, and when, so that consumers will not think too badly of their existing vehicle , but will want to buy a new car to get that new car look, feel, sound, and smell.
For the Dodges it's probably interior trim pieces, dashboard stuff, and squeaky suspension.
The idea is that car owners will think that their car was a good one, a quality car, but that it just wore out and needs to be replaced.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 7:37 pm to Honky Lips
Audi listed but no Honda?
Posted on 2/16/17 at 7:40 pm to Clames
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They paid more for it so they pay more attention to the maintenance
Accords cost more than Malibu's? Titans cost more than f150's?
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