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re: When does someone no longer have the right to work? (Oregon State pitcher related)
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
You're arguing that he will never be hired because of public backlash. That's not a fact. It's crazy talk.
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:21 pm to shel311
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What prevents him from doing what he's best qualified to do if someone offers him that job? Nothing, but then what's the point of the thread? I'm not quite sure
That's not true the "mob" is preventing him from getting a job.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
Why don't you hire him?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:What exactly is your solution?
An employer might he willing to hire him but won't for fear of public back lash. We can't have an honest conversation if we don't acknowledge that fact. Simply saying they have the right to not hire him or not do business with someone that does is not facing reality that he has to do something with the rest of his life. So we can imprison him for life with no parole, which seems cruel given his age at the time of the crime and counter productive since someone with no chance of getting out has no incentive to behave. We can make him a ward if the state which also seems wasteful and counter productive or allow him to move on with his life.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:What's not true? If someone offers him a job, nothing is preventing him from doing that job. What part of that is not true?
That's not true
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:30 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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You're arguing that he will never be hired because of public backlash. That's not a fact. It's crazy talk.
Fair enough but there are several in this thread that at least seem ok with that and also an assumption by some that he's a danger to repeat offend, even though as far as we know he only did it one time to one child.
Btw Several have mockingly said he should flip burgers. Clearly they say that because it's a low skill, low pay job, but don't most McDonalds have play grounds? Wouldn't you be more likely to be around kids daily at there then a baseball park, at least more young girls? (From my understanding most repeat molesters don't molest just any kids but stick with the same gender, so a guy that molested a little girl would be unlikely to molest the 12y/o bat boy. So if the goal is to keep him away from kids, seems fast food is not as good a place for him to work as baseball or roofing.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:33 pm to cubsfan5150
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This might be more suited elsewhere.
When does a "criminal" lose the right to work?
In this guy's case, he's been punished, theoretically rehabilitated and if experts deem him no longer a threat to children, why should he not be able to work in his chosen profession, assuming that profession doesn't put children in danger?
Your problem is that you are looking at this in a vacuum and only considering the individual. This isn't a case where someone is making as single subjective decision that this kid doesn't deserve to work. Instead, those that provide work are making the decision that they don't want him to work for them presumably because a significant percentage of their customers have a problem with it.
This is a "bleeding heart" problem, IMO. Many people can't accept the fact that, bad things happen and some of them can never be forgiven or excused (even if someone does time for it). It's just a terrible situation that doesn't get better with time. Nobody wants that to be the case. But, the cure for your heartache isn't to force others into reacting the way that they do to the situation. You just need to accept the realities of the situation. Ignoring the damage he did to others, he also "ruined" his own life when he was very young. There are many ways to do this. He did it.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:34 pm to cubsfan5150
But everyone has the right not to hire him.
No one is saying he can't play baseball. However all the teams in MLB choose to say baseball elsewhere.
No one is saying he can't play baseball. However all the teams in MLB choose to say baseball elsewhere.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
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even though as far as we know he only did it one time to one child.
Prosecutors initially charged Heimlich with two counts of molestation for incidents between September 2009 and September 2010, and between September 2011 to December 2011. In Washington, child molestation in the first degree is a Class A felony.
"She said that the first time the respondent touched her she was four years old and that she was six years old the last time he did this," according to court records.
Heimlich ultimately pleaded guilty to one count of molestation between February 2011 and December 2011, a period in which he was 15. Prosecutors dismissed the other charge as part of a plea bargain.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:39 pm to 632627
The scouts and GM's might think he has lots of talent but the baggage he brings is enormous and detrimental to the organizations reputation.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:53 pm to cubsfan5150
The employer has the right to hire whoever he feels is best for his business.
The employer also has the right to take into account their customers opinions of that hires.
And customers have a right to voice their displeasure on said hire.
If you think the guy has a right to be a MLB pitcher then buy a franchise and sign him.
The employer also has the right to take into account their customers opinions of that hires.
And customers have a right to voice their displeasure on said hire.
If you think the guy has a right to be a MLB pitcher then buy a franchise and sign him.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:59 pm to cubsfan5150
One always has the right to work.
One never has the right to get paid for it, only the opportunity to try.
One never has the right to get paid for it, only the opportunity to try.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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most repeat molesters don't molest just any kids but stick with the same gender so a guy that molested a little girl would be unlikely to molest the 12 y/o bat boy.
Surprisingly, the PR departments of all of these teams didn't think that was a winning talking point to give the public.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:45 pm to Damone
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He was punished and completed his sentence. He didn't even have to register as a sex offender, so he should be extremely thankful.
Yes he did. He didn't do it on time once and that's how this story got out.
ETA: Apparently it was a frick up by the Corvallis PD that allowed this to become public. Yikes.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:58 pm to Marciano1
actually that might be the BEST place for someone like that because he'll be under constant scrutinry
Posted on 6/15/17 at 2:00 pm to Master of Sinanju
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Would you knowingly hire a convicted rapist to build your house when there are so many other options?
Maybe. Does he do a better job than others for the same money? If I don't have a family and the house is for me, then I might
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 2:05 pm to cubsfan5150
I don't think he's been punished (enough). I think he used his family connections to get an extremely light sentence. This was not just a one time thing. Repeated molestation over a two year period. I saw an article where the Oregon District Attorney called into a sports radio show saying that if the molestation had happened in Oregon, Heimlich would just be finishing up his prison sentence instead of playing college ball. That said, he has the right to work in a field where he is not around kids, but teams certainly have the right to not want to go anywhere near this reprobate.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 2:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Are the teams not hiring him because the teams management refuses to hire someone with a criminal record or because of public pressure?
1) It doesn't matter; and
2) its a combination of both. Management doesn't want a child molester in uniform. The reason is because it plays terrible with their fan base ultimately hurting the bottom line.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 2:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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That's not true the "mob" is preventing him from getting a job.
Who buys tickets to baseball games? Who buys jerseys? Who supports MLB sponsors?
What you call "mob," I call market force.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 2:22 pm to cubsfan5150
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cubsfan5150
you are fricking stupid
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Then they can choose not to attend, then it's their prerogative.
right, a-hole. Do you think the Mariners, Marlins, or Padres want to alienate fans from their ballpark? You know, the people who provide the clubs with MONEY.
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