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re: What Universities Should the State of La Close?

Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:36 pm to
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There should be, AT THE MOST, 4, maybe 5, 4 year universities in this state. 


Agreed. State population should reflect university #

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I'm saying that we need to alter this mentality that everyone needs to go to college


Also agreed. But it would really help if our current Federal Loan system was more friendly for second chance students (ie a flat loan rate regardless of degree level)

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Most jobs don't require a college education. That needs to be fixed.


Totally agree, and to be honest I only finished my degree in Physics because I already had so many credits, otherwise I would have happily did a community college degree.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:37 pm to
How is that an idiotic premise? You know how many people get a degree and commute? I don't know a lot about other universities, but am from commuting distance to Nicholls. I don't think it's a great school or anything and never would have gone there myself. But I know a lot of people who went there. Doctors, Lawyers, and successful people in business. I know several public school valedictorians who would have never gone to college if they couldn't commute to Nicholls. There is no other option in the area. Lafayette, BR, and NOLA are all over an hour away. Can't do that regularly and keep a job. I know how important that can be for an area. Plus as its ranked in another poster's link, it out performs ULL.

So you want to keep the state in good standing by slashing schools to make the budget, but by doing so, cutting off education to very large areas of the state. Keeping everyone backwoods retarded because they can't afford the "full" college experience isn't the answer to making the state better. Trim fat sure, but be smart about it. Outside of two, maybe three public schools in this state, I'd say commuter students make up the majority of the other schools enrollment.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:41 pm to
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72059 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:43 pm to
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How is that an idiotic premise?
Because we are the only state that demands such stupidity. How can other states survive if they don't have a public college within commuting distance of every human being in the state?

How the hell do they pull it off, because I'm pretty confused about how they can do it and we can't.

We are one of the last in education yet we have more colleges per capita than any other state.

Seems that the current system isn't working, is it?
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 8:44 pm
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22153 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:44 pm to
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I have a few that I would close, but only if they had two factors, poor performance AND an alternate school within commuter distance


Why does everyone need a school within commuting distance? That is silly. With the amount of online degree programs available, there is no need to have a school in commuter distance from every mid sized town in Louisiana.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:45 pm to
I'm not trying to Pimp Nicholls, only speaking of it from experience. I saw the school ranking from a previous link in this thread.

I'm aware many other smaller schools are going to have the same situation, that's why I'm understanding about why people may not think they should be closed. Also, realize since I know own nothing about ULM, I can't come in and say, shut it down with any intelligent reasoning. Now having a school down the street with roughly the same acceptance criteria....then I say slash it.

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31031 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:46 pm to
The state should make the decision first on grad rates, cost per student to the state and salary of graduates and second on the market each serves(mission of university), proximity to other 4 year colleges, and population center.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10259 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:49 pm to
For starters:

LSU System Schools
-LSU at Alexandria
-LSU-Eunice

Southern U System
Southern- NO
Southern- Shreveport

UofL System
-Grambling St
- Nicholls St

I'd imagine the CC are small potatoes and may become more necessary/valuable if "major" universities are closed. But I really don't know much about them, just a guess.

Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:49 pm to
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 How can other states survive if they don't have a public college within commuting distance of every human being in the state? 


I'm not saying everywhere should. But "major" ( used very loosely) hubs should have access. Lake Charles, Houma/Thibodaux, etc. are pretty large populations to leave without anotice option in my opinion.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112606 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:50 pm to
raising admission standards would solve a lot of problems


raise the minimum ACT score to 22-23 across the board for four year schools and some of them would close real fast.
Posted by LXIXER
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2008
312 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:55 pm to
The graduation rates you are comparing are from 2011. The students who enrolled at Nicholls and are reflected in the statistics you posted enrolled under open admissions. Anyone with half a brain could just about get in any of the universities in Louisiana except maybe LSU. Graduation rates were bad eveywhere. Today universities have selective admissions and graduation rates are higher. Nicholls was over 40% in 2014. Not sure what it was for 2015.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:56 pm to
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yet we have more colleges per capita than any other state


Haven't found anything to break out public from private yet, but according to what I could find, this is not true. Where does this talking point come from?? I could be wrong (like I said, I'm only finding I found for total universities per capita), but we aren't even in the top ten.
Posted by wizziko
New Jersey Nets Fan
Member since Jan 2006
35881 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:58 pm to
I've recently met some hot arse European chicks that play sports at SUNO so they should stay open for that reason alone. How they ended up there I have no idea
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
12927 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:12 pm to
Sowela is probably the best thing going in the state right now.
Posted by XxxSpooky1
A place in SE La
Member since Sep 2007
5145 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:32 pm to
Close SELU? One of the best nursing and education programs in the state. One of the higher graduation rates from start to finish. One that is almost self sufficient. One that is listed as one of the top 5, 4 year public universities in the state?


Really?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72059 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:42 pm to
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Close SELU?
Yes.
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One of the best nursing and education programs in the state.
Oh look, this argument again. Every college in this state apparently has the "best nursing/education/pharmacy school".

The program can be taken over by another university.

See how easy that was?
Posted by XxxSpooky1
A place in SE La
Member since Sep 2007
5145 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:47 pm to
And what is your basis on closing it?

Unfortunately you cannot just move programs to other schools and just make them work.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72059 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:48 pm to
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And what is your basis on closing it?

The cost of keeping all of these programs/universities open.
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Unfortunately you cannot just move programs to other schools and just make them work. This post was edited on 2/15 at 9:48 pm
And why can't you?
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 9:49 pm
Posted by XxxSpooky1
A place in SE La
Member since Sep 2007
5145 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:50 pm to
I guess you missed the part that stated SELU is almost self sufficient due to its financial efficiency.

Because you don't just move a program taken over by a different group of faculty and it remains the same quality.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31031 posts
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:55 pm to
Really? One of the best grad rates and self sufficient? Might wanna check the other thread brother. And yea its within 45 miles of two other universities in a population center that is smaller than many others with 4 year colleges.
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