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re: What Universities Should the State of La Close?
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:36 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:36 pm to Scruffy
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There should be, AT THE MOST, 4, maybe 5, 4 year universities in this state.
Agreed. State population should reflect university #
quote:
I'm saying that we need to alter this mentality that everyone needs to go to college
Also agreed. But it would really help if our current Federal Loan system was more friendly for second chance students (ie a flat loan rate regardless of degree level)
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Most jobs don't require a college education. That needs to be fixed.
Totally agree, and to be honest I only finished my degree in Physics because I already had so many credits, otherwise I would have happily did a community college degree.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:37 pm to Scruffy
How is that an idiotic premise? You know how many people get a degree and commute? I don't know a lot about other universities, but am from commuting distance to Nicholls. I don't think it's a great school or anything and never would have gone there myself. But I know a lot of people who went there. Doctors, Lawyers, and successful people in business. I know several public school valedictorians who would have never gone to college if they couldn't commute to Nicholls. There is no other option in the area. Lafayette, BR, and NOLA are all over an hour away. Can't do that regularly and keep a job. I know how important that can be for an area. Plus as its ranked in another poster's link, it out performs ULL.
So you want to keep the state in good standing by slashing schools to make the budget, but by doing so, cutting off education to very large areas of the state. Keeping everyone backwoods retarded because they can't afford the "full" college experience isn't the answer to making the state better. Trim fat sure, but be smart about it. Outside of two, maybe three public schools in this state, I'd say commuter students make up the majority of the other schools enrollment.
So you want to keep the state in good standing by slashing schools to make the budget, but by doing so, cutting off education to very large areas of the state. Keeping everyone backwoods retarded because they can't afford the "full" college experience isn't the answer to making the state better. Trim fat sure, but be smart about it. Outside of two, maybe three public schools in this state, I'd say commuter students make up the majority of the other schools enrollment.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:41 pm to KG6
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:43 pm to KG6
quote:Because we are the only state that demands such stupidity. How can other states survive if they don't have a public college within commuting distance of every human being in the state?
How is that an idiotic premise?
How the hell do they pull it off, because I'm pretty confused about how they can do it and we can't.
We are one of the last in education yet we have more colleges per capita than any other state.
Seems that the current system isn't working, is it?
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:44 pm to KG6
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I have a few that I would close, but only if they had two factors, poor performance AND an alternate school within commuter distance
Why does everyone need a school within commuting distance? That is silly. With the amount of online degree programs available, there is no need to have a school in commuter distance from every mid sized town in Louisiana.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:45 pm to NIH
I'm not trying to Pimp Nicholls, only speaking of it from experience. I saw the school ranking from a previous link in this thread.
I'm aware many other smaller schools are going to have the same situation, that's why I'm understanding about why people may not think they should be closed. Also, realize since I know own nothing about ULM, I can't come in and say, shut it down with any intelligent reasoning. Now having a school down the street with roughly the same acceptance criteria....then I say slash it.
I'm aware many other smaller schools are going to have the same situation, that's why I'm understanding about why people may not think they should be closed. Also, realize since I know own nothing about ULM, I can't come in and say, shut it down with any intelligent reasoning. Now having a school down the street with roughly the same acceptance criteria....then I say slash it.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:46 pm to Scruffy
The state should make the decision first on grad rates, cost per student to the state and salary of graduates and second on the market each serves(mission of university), proximity to other 4 year colleges, and population center.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:49 pm to OweO
For starters:
LSU System Schools
-LSU at Alexandria
-LSU-Eunice
Southern U System
Southern- NO
Southern- Shreveport
UofL System
-Grambling St
- Nicholls St
I'd imagine the CC are small potatoes and may become more necessary/valuable if "major" universities are closed. But I really don't know much about them, just a guess.
LSU System Schools
-LSU at Alexandria
-LSU-Eunice
Southern U System
Southern- NO
Southern- Shreveport
UofL System
-Grambling St
- Nicholls St
I'd imagine the CC are small potatoes and may become more necessary/valuable if "major" universities are closed. But I really don't know much about them, just a guess.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:49 pm to Scruffy
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How can other states survive if they don't have a public college within commuting distance of every human being in the state?
I'm not saying everywhere should. But "major" ( used very loosely) hubs should have access. Lake Charles, Houma/Thibodaux, etc. are pretty large populations to leave without anotice option in my opinion.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:50 pm to lsu777
raising admission standards would solve a lot of problems
raise the minimum ACT score to 22-23 across the board for four year schools and some of them would close real fast.
raise the minimum ACT score to 22-23 across the board for four year schools and some of them would close real fast.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:55 pm to NIH
The graduation rates you are comparing are from 2011. The students who enrolled at Nicholls and are reflected in the statistics you posted enrolled under open admissions. Anyone with half a brain could just about get in any of the universities in Louisiana except maybe LSU. Graduation rates were bad eveywhere. Today universities have selective admissions and graduation rates are higher. Nicholls was over 40% in 2014. Not sure what it was for 2015.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:56 pm to Scruffy
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yet we have more colleges per capita than any other state
Haven't found anything to break out public from private yet, but according to what I could find, this is not true. Where does this talking point come from?? I could be wrong (like I said, I'm only finding I found for total universities per capita), but we aren't even in the top ten.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:58 pm to LXIXER
I've recently met some hot arse European chicks that play sports at SUNO so they should stay open for that reason alone. How they ended up there I have no idea
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:12 pm to southernelite
Sowela is probably the best thing going in the state right now.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:32 pm to Scruffy
Close SELU? One of the best nursing and education programs in the state. One of the higher graduation rates from start to finish. One that is almost self sufficient. One that is listed as one of the top 5, 4 year public universities in the state?
Really?
Really?
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:42 pm to XxxSpooky1
quote:Yes.
Close SELU?
quote:Oh look, this argument again. Every college in this state apparently has the "best nursing/education/pharmacy school".
One of the best nursing and education programs in the state.
The program can be taken over by another university.
See how easy that was?
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:47 pm to Scruffy
And what is your basis on closing it?
Unfortunately you cannot just move programs to other schools and just make them work.
Unfortunately you cannot just move programs to other schools and just make them work.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:48 pm to XxxSpooky1
quote:The cost of keeping all of these programs/universities open.
And what is your basis on closing it?
quote:And why can't you?
Unfortunately you cannot just move programs to other schools and just make them work. This post was edited on 2/15 at 9:48 pm
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:50 pm to Scruffy
I guess you missed the part that stated SELU is almost self sufficient due to its financial efficiency.
Because you don't just move a program taken over by a different group of faculty and it remains the same quality.
Because you don't just move a program taken over by a different group of faculty and it remains the same quality.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:55 pm to XxxSpooky1
Really? One of the best grad rates and self sufficient? Might wanna check the other thread brother. And yea its within 45 miles of two other universities in a population center that is smaller than many others with 4 year colleges.
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