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re: Timeline: Stunning details in Penn State fraternity pledge death (Update: charges dropped)
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:24 pm to 3D
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:24 pm to 3D
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Sad part is, people deserve jail time.... But no one will get any.
The ones I can see most likely to get time would be the ones who slammed him on the couch, the one who slapped his abdomen, and those who refused the requests of others to summons help.
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:25 pm to Muriel
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that's really shitty but this could happen at most fraternity houses across the country. Most drunk 20 year olds aren't going to immediately call for an ambulance in that situation. Sucks but sounds sorta like a freak injury deal to me.
Disagree.
Could someone get really drunk, pass out, everyone pays it no mind and that person dies? Sure, of course. And that could happen anywhere, not just fraternities.
But a lot more than that happened here.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:28 pm to Ed Osteen
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Other pledges are mentioned once in the entire story line. It's wrong to focus on where this kids friends were instead of what kind of assholes even allow this to happen to someone. It's like blaming fellow pledges for not stopping actives being douchebags
It doesn't matter whether they were friends or not. Men should not act like that. If a stranger falls down a flight of stairs would you not help? I've pulled people out of car wrecks who I've never seen before or since. It's what men so. I put a lot of stock in the character of a man.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:29 pm to Pettifogger
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But a lot more than that happened here.
Yeah, the staircase is what has me here. No way everyone in the house who wasn't completely passed out, pledge or otherwise, wouldn't have heard of this within 2 minutes. I think it's fair to blame the pledge class (especially if he went to high school with any of them) in addition to the actives, since surely a few of them were able to not pass out over the activities.
Edit: at my fraternity a pledge fell out of a second story window and broke his arm. We got him to the hospital. Jesus Christ, this isn't a high bar here when someone falls down a flight of stairs and lands on his head to get him to the hospital. Surely some active fraternity guy had a sober girlfriend to drive him there and make up bullshite from there.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:31 pm to Pettifogger
a lot more did happen here, yes. But they knew the dude was hammered and had fallen down but there was no way to know he fractured his skull and his spleen exploded. For all they knew he was just drunk as piss and fell down. Obviously we as adults can sit here and say someone should have called 911, but anyone expecting a bunch of drunk college aged bros to call 911 in that situation is not dealing in reality, IMO.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:31 pm to Ed Osteen
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You are missing the point, if everyone was his friend and knew him then this wouldn't have happened. He's just some pledge that couldn't hold his liquor to older people.im not saying it makes sense, but it's clearly how it played out
I'm afraid it is you who is missing the point.
A person pledging to join a so-called brotherhood Shouldn't fear that the guys he's trying to become "brothers" with will neglect him if he's showing signs of a medical emergency. It's a sign of human decency and the bare minimum one would expect from a group one is desiring to align with for 4+ years.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:34 pm to Crusty Juggler
Problems here are that many were drunk and his injuries were internal, for the most part, thus didn't appear in dire need of help.
What actually would have helped him if he had grotesquely broke his leg in the stair fall and they certainly would have called 911
What actually would have helped him if he had grotesquely broke his leg in the stair fall and they certainly would have called 911
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:34 pm to East Coast Band
As I was reading this, at first I was thinking that this was a fricked up situation, but it could seriously happen at ANY frat house.. but as I kept reading that changed.. there were so many opportunities for them to get medical attention for this guy. Someone should have stepped up and done something. There were too many signs for them not to
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:34 pm to Muriel
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a lot more did happen here, yes. But they knew the dude was hammered and had fallen down but there was no way to know he fractured his skull and his spleen exploded. For all they knew he was just drunk as piss and fell down. Obviously we as adults can sit here and say someone should have called 911, but anyone expecting a bunch of college aged bros to call 911 in that situation is not dealing in reality, IMO.
Is it though?
When a guy is making weird sounds, keeps trying to move and keeps falling and further injuring himself? With a bunch of people noting that he looked terrible or unresponsive or dead?
We did a lot of dumb shite in my fraternity house, but I'd like to think we wouldn't have done something like that. I remember sitting in the ER, drunk as frick, because one of our dumbasses fell off the back of a car at a band party. Those aren't apples to apples, but it's totally plausible that most people care more about other human beings than getting arrested, or getting in trouble with IFC or whatever.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:35 pm to East Coast Band
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Problems here are that many were drunk and his injuries were internal, for the most part, thus didn't appear in dire need of help.
What actually would have helped him if he had grotesquely broke his leg in the stair fall and they certainly would have called 911
right. That's what I'm saying. Seeing someone disoriented and acting strange is nothing new to those clowns. Dude was just acting like a dude who had been way overserved.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:35 pm to East Coast Band
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What actually would have helped him if he had grotesquely broke his leg in the stair fall and they certainly would have called 911
That's a fair point. In my real life example that clearly happened.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:36 pm to Muriel
For 8 hours? Come on.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:36 pm to DCtiger1
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Holy shite. frick those guys
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:37 pm to East Coast Band
I don't care if you are drunk, these people are assholes to the highest degree.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:37 pm to AubieALUMdvm
I was in a frat and that story is incredibly disturbing.
Fyi anytime we had an organized event like that at the house either the VP or president was sober and we had 2-4 sober drivers depending on the size and time of year. I'm not saying anywhere close to all frats were like that, but our organized frat events were way safer than many of the parties I've been to outside of that. I've personally taken 2 people to the hospital for alcohol poisoning one at a frat party and one not.
Again this penn st ordeal is sickening but that's not the norm.
Fyi anytime we had an organized event like that at the house either the VP or president was sober and we had 2-4 sober drivers depending on the size and time of year. I'm not saying anywhere close to all frats were like that, but our organized frat events were way safer than many of the parties I've been to outside of that. I've personally taken 2 people to the hospital for alcohol poisoning one at a frat party and one not.
Again this penn st ordeal is sickening but that's not the norm.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:37 pm to East Coast Band
This is terrible. They should have called 911 at the point he initially fell down the stairs. I know they were worried about getting in trouble, but in hindsight it would've been better than where they're at now. These assholes deserve whatever punishment they get
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:37 pm to Ed Osteen
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You are missing the point, if everyone was his friend and knew him then this wouldn't have happened. He's just some pledge that couldn't hold his liquor to older people.im not saying it makes sense, but it's clearly how it played out
Even after knowing he fell down the stairs, and they couldn't awaken him?
Nah, frick those guys.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:38 pm to Elleshoe
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For 8 hours? Come on.
Exactly. With a bunch of people coming into contact with him. If this guy got wasted per normal, fell down the stairs, then went to his room after a party and died, I'm on board with the "tragic accident" narrative.
But I just don't think you can reconcile that concept with the OP's timeline.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Appears no one was really concerned with this kid, only CYA
That would never happen in Happy Valley.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:39 pm to BayouBengals03
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Kids are stupid.
Uh these kids aren't stupid, they're evil and have no soul whatsoever. They were only concerned with having a good time and covering their arse when shite hit the fan instead of taking personal responsibility.
frick these dudes, they need as much time in prison as a judge can possibly give them.
Can you imagine being a part of his family knowing that there were so many chances to save your loved one but the only people available were fricked up shitheads that couldn't be bothered to show some empathy and help for someone that was clearly in his death throes?
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 9:46 pm
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