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re: Timeline: Stunning details in Penn State fraternity pledge death (Update: charges dropped)
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:40 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:40 pm to Pettifogger
We have here a few fraternity apologists excusing grossly negligent behavior. Why? I don't know. It's not as if these morons are, IMO, a great representation of all fraternities
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:41 pm to AubieALUMdvm
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We have here a few fraternity apologists excusing grossly negligent behavior. Why? I don't know. It's not as if these morons are, IMO, a great representation of all fraternities
I think he's a lawyer and arguing just to argue
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:41 pm to Muriel
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Sucks but sounds sorta like a freak injury deal to me.
The knew he fell down the stairs head first twice and they still never called an ambulance or doctor or nurse or anything. That's not a freak injury. That's criminal negligence and I hope they all go to rape prison.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:41 pm to AubieALUMdvm
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person pledging to join a so-called brotherhood Shouldn't fear that the guys he's trying to become "brothers" with will neglect him if he's showing signs of a medical emergency. It's a sign of human decency and the bare minimum one would expect from a group one is desiring to align with for 4+ years.
Well I can name at least one frat that doesn't feel the same way. Don't accuse me of missing any point of the story when it clearly suggest otherwise. I wish everyone felt the way you did, but that clearly isn't the case
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:42 pm to baldona
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Fyi anytime we had an organized event like that at the house either the VP or president was sober and we had 2-4 sober drivers
Be real, that's just what y'all told the parents
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:42 pm to Crusty Juggler
Listen I hate frat douches just as much as the next guy, but some blame needs to be placed on himself. I don't care what kind of peer pressure you're facing from being a pledge, there comes a time where you gotta say enough is enough and quit drinking. I agree this could happen at any college party in this country, but I'm not sure if I'm witnessing this that I would immediately think to bring to hospital, especially if I'm wasted myself. It's a total shitty situation and there's blame to go around, but none of this sounds intentional.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:43 pm to Ed Osteen
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he was a pledge.
Why does this matter?
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. Most of the older people likely didn't even know his name
Why does this matter?
Especially when they can clearly see him being fricked up and look like he's actually about to legit die.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:44 pm to Sentrius
I'm not saying it does or doesn't matter, I'm just laying out what happened.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:45 pm to CockyTime
The number of times I've been shitfaced (and really all of my friends) that I could have fell down the stairs, but sorry that doesn't happen all that often to get traumatic brain injury. While yeah he got drunk and that caused it, it's like blaming a person for being in a freak car accident for choosing to drive that day.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:45 pm to Sentrius
when you're hammered, I imagine it's sometimes tough to tell the difference between someone who is shithoused drunk and someone who is dying. I'm not saying what they did was right, just that it should not be at all surprising to anyone.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:45 pm to East Coast Band
quote:almost 12 hours later
11:22 p.m.: Piazza gets up, staggers toward the front door and tries without success to open it. He staggers toward the basement steps. A fraternity brother hears a fall and finds Piazza face-down at the bottom of the stairs. A forensic pathologist later estimates his blood-alcohol content is between 0.28 and 0.36 percent at this point. (In Pennsylvania, a driver is considered intoxicated with a blood-alcohol level of 0.08.)
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10:48 a.m.: A brother calls 911, summoning an ambulance.
5:09 p.m.: The fraternity's president directs a member to get rid of any evidence of alcohol.
Disgusting. Now, THESE bystanders would fit the definition of callous.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:45 pm to AubieALUMdvm
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We have here a few fraternity apologists excusing grossly negligent behavior. Why? I don't know. It's not as if these morons are, IMO, a great representation of all fraternities
I agree. And I don't think you'll find many guys at our (SEC) schools who think this resembles the behavior they witnessed at their fraternities.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:46 pm to CockyTime
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I'm not sure if I'm witnessing this that I would immediately think to bring to hospital
If you saw a guy fall headfirst down a flight of stairs and then be unresponsive you wouldn't seek medical attention?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:47 pm to Breesus
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The knew he fell down the stairs head first twice and they still never called an ambulance or doctor or nurse or anything. That's not a freak injury. That's criminal negligence and I hope they all go to rape prison.
This post was edited on 5/10 at 9:42 pm
Correct. It's apparent they cared nothing about the kid
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:47 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Be real, that's just what y'all told the parents
Haha i don't know about that guy
But we always had sober drivers and generally had a sober officer. Of course, I saw the sober officer get drunk more than once, but sober drivers were a real thing that was taken seriously.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:47 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Fyi anytime we had an organized event like that at the house either the VP or president was sober and we had 2-4 sober drivers
Be real, that's just what y'all told the parents
I sober drove when I was a pledge 3 nights a week from 10-2pm. Part of the BS, but sure was nice when the semester was over and I knocked out my homework if I wasn't driving.
Anyone can drink, organized parties are where it's at.
This guys friends were his pledge brothers, they were all wasted too. The pieces of shite who should be arrested were the older guys who let this crap go on. Anytime you have that kind of crap, you have someone there supervising it. That's not bs, that's actually so you can take it further than you may drunk because you have sober people around.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:47 pm to East Coast Band
Alcohol is deadly, it makes everyone not think clearly.
This dude died because of drinking and the other members didn't want to get in trouble for drinking.
This dude died because of drinking and the other members didn't want to get in trouble for drinking.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:51 pm to Breesus
Maybe I read it wrong but I thought he was moving around some after and staggering around. If I saw someone fall down steps, visible injuries like broken bones or neck injury would probably be what I would be immediately concerned about.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:51 pm to CockyTime
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Listen I hate frat douches just as much as the next guy, but some blame needs to be placed on himself. I don't care what kind of peer pressure you're facing from being a pledge, there comes a time where you gotta say enough is enough and quit drinking. I agree this could happen at any college party in this country, but I'm not sure if I'm witnessing this that I would immediately think to bring to hospital, especially if I'm wasted myself. It's a total shitty situation and there's blame to go around, but none of this sounds intentional.
It doesn't matter what you think of the victim having too much drink. He still did it with his trust placed the frat and that they would help him if things got too out of control.
When it became clear to them that he was about to die, they still acted in their own self interest in a callous, soulless way with a guilty mind to cover their own arse and protect the frat instead of trying to save an innocent life.
They need to go to jail for a very long time.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 9:51 pm to Ed Osteen
It's amazing seeing all these frat douches coming in here preaching "oh he's just a pledge bro, it's not like they knew him well". frick all of you
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