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re: Thoughts on "Man Camps?"
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:02 am to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:02 am to tgrbaitn08
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what kind of tax incentives?
I'll give you a recent example in the news. NOLA Mayor Landrieu recently wrote a letter to the Late Show regarding LA's tax incentives for the movie industry. How about extending those tax incentives to all industries? People in the movie industry certainly have shown that these incentives make economic sense, and the result has been good for LA workers.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:04 am to jrodLSUke
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You should have a problem with this. There is a better way; namely, providing tax incentives for these companies to hire American workers. You and your community would benefit more if US dollars were spent on US employees.
Huge packages were put together to attract these projects. I'm sure they left no stone unturned in negotiations.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:05 am to Prominentwon
I wouldn't want that in my back yard, or that close to my camp. The camps on moss lake will be easy targets for any criminals looking to steal stuff pretty easy.
But..........it isn't in my back yard and I don't have a camp there so all I can think about is how I could make money from this influx of well paid workers
But..........it isn't in my back yard and I don't have a camp there so all I can think about is how I could make money from this influx of well paid workers
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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how?
these are all temporary workers
Temporary foreign workers willing to work for less pay. These workers don't spend everything in the US, they take a large percentage of the money and invest it back into foreign economies. US workers would have the same impact locally, but would then invest the rest of their earnings back into the US economy.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:07 am to jrodLSUke
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Temporary foreign workers willing to work for less pay.
They won't be.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:07 am to jrodLSUke
I wonder if all of these xenophobic people realize that Sasol is a South African company?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:08 am to Ric Flair
This has nothing to do with Sasol whatsoever.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:09 am to jrodLSUke
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US dollars were spent on US employees.
but then we wouldnt have US dollars spent on building and maintaining all these all these man camps.
FTR, the people that build and work on these man camps are US employees. For every 20 people you need 1 cook and 1 galley hand. You also need camp bosses, maintenance men, general laborers, etc, to run these camps while the skilled guys are out doing their thing. All they do is come back to the camps, eat, shower and sleep. Rinse and repeat.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:13 am to tgrbaitn08
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FTR, the people that build and work on these man camps are US employees. For every 20 people you need 1 cook and 1 galley hand. You also need camp bosses, maintenance men, general laborers, etc, to run these camps while the skilled guys are out doing their thing. All they do is come back to the camps, eat, shower and sleep. Rinse and repeat.
...and there's absolutely no reason to believe that any US citizen that wants a job in this area when all of this is at it's peak, won't be able to get one.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:15 am to Prominentwon
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...and there's absolutely no reason to believe that any US citizen that wants a job in this area when all of this is at it's peak, won't be able to get one.
absolutely. there will be plenty to go around.
Offshore, inshore, Gulf Coast, West Texas, North Dakota, there is plenty of work in the pipeline right now. anyone that wants a job will have no problem finding one
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:57 am to tgrbaitn08
I am in the finance industry in LC. Anyone that cannot fathom the huge economic impact this will have on SWLA needs a freaking lesson in fundamental economics. All this crap about them strictly shipping in foreigners is BS. If you want a job i promise you that you could find one over here.
Example: Sasol has spent hundreds of millions of dollars purchasing property in Westlake and surrounding areas. Ok so what do those people go and do? Buy other property, start a business (which hire people), etc. Not to mention a portion of these people are low to moderate income so they spend it rapidly. So basically Sasol has injected millions of dollars in the economy without hiring a single worker. Things like this are what people forget about.
Example: Sasol has spent hundreds of millions of dollars purchasing property in Westlake and surrounding areas. Ok so what do those people go and do? Buy other property, start a business (which hire people), etc. Not to mention a portion of these people are low to moderate income so they spend it rapidly. So basically Sasol has injected millions of dollars in the economy without hiring a single worker. Things like this are what people forget about.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:01 am to GCHunter
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and there's absolutely no reason to believe that any US citizen that wants a job in this area when all of this is at it's peak, won't be able to get one.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:20 am to Prominentwon
My two biggest concerns are the planning, or lack there of, regarding infrastructure in and around the area. And what going to happen to all the temporary camps once they are gone. The clean up will be massive.
I went to a meeting led by the state planner for highway and road construction. It was one of the most laughable meetings I've ever witnessed. At that time, they were planning to have a 30 bus carpool leave and return everyday to the camp by the Sherriff's office. They would take 210 bridge to Westlake/Sulphur area for the projects. He also stated that the 210 and I10 restoration projects/exit building would be taking place causing both of them to be one lane of traffic. He was asked what the backup plan was if bus number 5 suddenly shite the bed at the top of the Interstate in one lane of traffic. His reply was mostly inaudible. People actually had some good recommendations to offset traffic flow. The planners response was that they would look into it. When needled for a better response, he said that the state takes one year to study a project and one year to plan it, so even if they wanted to implement an idea, it was two years off. People were dumbfounded by it.
SFP, how much faith do you have in any of the local zone planning or city council's ability to come with a solution that is best for their relative cities?
I went to a meeting led by the state planner for highway and road construction. It was one of the most laughable meetings I've ever witnessed. At that time, they were planning to have a 30 bus carpool leave and return everyday to the camp by the Sherriff's office. They would take 210 bridge to Westlake/Sulphur area for the projects. He also stated that the 210 and I10 restoration projects/exit building would be taking place causing both of them to be one lane of traffic. He was asked what the backup plan was if bus number 5 suddenly shite the bed at the top of the Interstate in one lane of traffic. His reply was mostly inaudible. People actually had some good recommendations to offset traffic flow. The planners response was that they would look into it. When needled for a better response, he said that the state takes one year to study a project and one year to plan it, so even if they wanted to implement an idea, it was two years off. People were dumbfounded by it.
SFP, how much faith do you have in any of the local zone planning or city council's ability to come with a solution that is best for their relative cities?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:30 am to Linkovich
So I'm not the only one with this concern. I honestly think that this area will be an absolute clusterfrick when people start showing up and these projects start to kick off in the next year or so.
If what you said were true, then I think we're pretty much screwed as far as improving the infrastructure to handle the madness. It's not just Lake Charles and the 2 interstates. It's everything in between. The 2 lane highly traveled roads with no turning lanes THROUGHOUT this area. Ruth St. and Ryan St. are both going to be absolutely unbearable. Nelson Road is bad NOW. Hopefully, the Prien Exit will help with that, but there's no reason for me to believe that it will. That's mainly for casino traffic.
Sounds to me the planners are dragging their feet already and have really no answer for any of the future plans or problems. About par for the course when it comes to this area's govt. seats.
If what you said were true, then I think we're pretty much screwed as far as improving the infrastructure to handle the madness. It's not just Lake Charles and the 2 interstates. It's everything in between. The 2 lane highly traveled roads with no turning lanes THROUGHOUT this area. Ruth St. and Ryan St. are both going to be absolutely unbearable. Nelson Road is bad NOW. Hopefully, the Prien Exit will help with that, but there's no reason for me to believe that it will. That's mainly for casino traffic.
Sounds to me the planners are dragging their feet already and have really no answer for any of the future plans or problems. About par for the course when it comes to this area's govt. seats.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:32 am to jrodLSUke
You are a little off target here dude. No one is advertising for 2500 laborers in foriegn markets. The contractors for these projects already have their crews of experianced people who may or may not be US citizens, most of the labor will not be. No business is going to train a workforce to build one facility. These workers are there for the construction only, not the future staffing. The premise that this is bad for any SW LA community is a double dose of stupid.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:35 am to Prominentwon
No worries, buddy. It's all under control. I was assured by city council it will go as smooth as the downtown development has gone.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:11 pm to Linkovich
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SFP, how much faith do you have in any of the local zone planning or city council's ability to come with a solution that is best for their relative cities?
i don't have much faith in Sulphur being able to do it, unless they accept what is about to come
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:10 pm to Prominentwon
A few thoughts...
Most people in this thread know how the industrial construction business works, so forgive me if my comments are already known.
Infrastructure needs to be in place BEFORE huge numbers of craft swarm Lake Charles and the surrounding areas. I dont know much about LC roads and highways, but to accomodate the number of craft, this will be a huge undertaking. If expanding/upgrading roads have not started, they are already about 1-2 years too late.
I do not beleive the letter was written my a Union member, reason being it doesnt matter if is non-union or union craft, its still a ton of workers in the area and that is what the letter was bitching about. The author also has no idea what goes into planning projects of this magnitude and the support needed for it.
As far as hiring a majority of foreign workers, I do not beleive this to be true. For the folks that think these construction jobs can be had by anyone, not the case. You have to have some useful trade that you can perform and be qualified. Theyre not hiring just anyone off the streets. If you are foreign, you will have to provide a social security card or work visa if youre going to be hired by a major company.
Most industrial settings have fairly strict drug testing(randoms, alcohol , hair follicle). Yes there are some craft that will frick this up and give other craft a bad rep, but the majority are not drug users.
SFP, you are correct as far as LC being a gold mine if you were to open a business. Ice machines/delivery will be an absolute given. Roach coaches make a killing. Guys are lined up at them in the morning and lunch.. My last job, this van that sold high vis "swag" set up across the street. We had roughly 2000 craft on the job and I betcha 50 - 75% bought shirts from them.
I currently work in Baytown and the Houston area will also see a number of huge projects getting underway, not to the magnitude of SW LA though.
Most people in this thread know how the industrial construction business works, so forgive me if my comments are already known.
Infrastructure needs to be in place BEFORE huge numbers of craft swarm Lake Charles and the surrounding areas. I dont know much about LC roads and highways, but to accomodate the number of craft, this will be a huge undertaking. If expanding/upgrading roads have not started, they are already about 1-2 years too late.
I do not beleive the letter was written my a Union member, reason being it doesnt matter if is non-union or union craft, its still a ton of workers in the area and that is what the letter was bitching about. The author also has no idea what goes into planning projects of this magnitude and the support needed for it.
As far as hiring a majority of foreign workers, I do not beleive this to be true. For the folks that think these construction jobs can be had by anyone, not the case. You have to have some useful trade that you can perform and be qualified. Theyre not hiring just anyone off the streets. If you are foreign, you will have to provide a social security card or work visa if youre going to be hired by a major company.
Most industrial settings have fairly strict drug testing(randoms, alcohol , hair follicle). Yes there are some craft that will frick this up and give other craft a bad rep, but the majority are not drug users.
SFP, you are correct as far as LC being a gold mine if you were to open a business. Ice machines/delivery will be an absolute given. Roach coaches make a killing. Guys are lined up at them in the morning and lunch.. My last job, this van that sold high vis "swag" set up across the street. We had roughly 2000 craft on the job and I betcha 50 - 75% bought shirts from them.
I currently work in Baytown and the Houston area will also see a number of huge projects getting underway, not to the magnitude of SW LA though.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:12 pm to dafuqusay
I'm going open up a check cashing, Western Union and payday loans store down there.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:14 pm to tgrbaitn08
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I'm going open up a check cashing, Western Union and payday loans store down there.
You are on the right path to success my friend
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