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re: The move to legalize same-sex marriage in La. commences TODAY
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:03 am to The Stash
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:03 am to The Stash
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I am all for gays being allowed to have a union and tat union being recognized but to call that action a marriage is crazy.
So you're issue is more to do with the sanctity of the WORD "marriage" than with the actual sanctity of marriage?
You're good with two guys having a legally recognized loving relationship that has all the benefits as a heterosexual couple, so long as they don't use the WORD "marriage?"
As you said earlier...makes zero sense to me.
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:04 am to The Stash
quote:words change meaning all the time. That's what happens with languages you dingus
I am just saying that words mean things and we shouldn't change definitions of words just because somebody feels like doing so
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:04 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Because my beliefs are so looked down upon, I am forced to either hide them or risk the penalty that comes with having them.
Everyone has this to some degree so it isn't exclusive to just you.
You're not going to get sympathy from me for dealing with shite that every person in America deals with on some level.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:06 am to Jwodie
I still don't understand how the government can recognize a religious ceremony if there is a separation of church and state.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:06 am to GeauxTigerTM
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So you're issue is more to do with the sanctity of the WORD "marriage" than with the actual sanctity of marriage?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:06 am to The Stash
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I am just letting you know how the definition of the word came about.
The word marriage was originally used to show obligations between a woman and her husband and signify her as his property. Glad tosee the definition has never changed. Solid argument champ.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:07 am to Bourre
There is not a separation of church and state ..
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:07 am to Bourre
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I still don't understand how the government can recognize a religious ceremony if there is a separation of church and state.
The "ceremony" has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:08 am to Bourre
quote:they don't, that's why you get a marriage license signed by an officiant and it's filed at the courthouse
I still don't understand how the government can recognize a religious ceremony if there is a separation of church and state
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:08 am to The Stash
quote:Half of the children born in the country right now are born out of wedlock so this point isn't valid anymore. Words change or evolve over time.
Marriage has existed throughout history as a way to regulate the obligations and responsibilities of procreation. So when you allow the union of two gays to be called a marriage, you are changing the definition so much that it is destroying the need for the institution of marriage.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:08 am to The Stash
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There is not a separation of church and state
Really? And which church are we using to represent the views of America?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:09 am to The Stash
quote:and the troll thus revealeth himself to us
There is not a separation of church and state ..
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:10 am to The Stash
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Marriage has existed throughout history as a way to regulate the obligations and responsibilities of procreation.
Yes, but it has also been used as a way to obtain influential in-laws and strengthen group ties. Stephanie Coontz has written extensively about marriage, particularly in Marriage, A History: From Obedience to Intimacy, or How Love Conquered Marriage. Procreation is only part of what marriage has been about.
Besides, being gay or lesbian is not the same thing as being sterile.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:10 am to The Stash
There is a seperation of church a state, the state can't promote one religion over another. Marriage is a religious term, why is the government promoting it?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:10 am to Jwodie
The only winner in the gay marriage fight will be divorce lawyers.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:12 am to Rickety Cricket
quote:I know this wasn't directed at me necessarily. However, atheists or agnostics are only going to recognize or give validity to a secular point.
You're clearly referring to your religious interpretation of the word and are grasping at straws to come up with a secular argument to support your conclusion.
As a Christian, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. From a secular perspective, I've yet to find a legit study that shows that children are not best served by a traditional, healthy marriage. Yes, there are plenty of screwed up marriages between a man and a woman where children suffer. Generally speaking, a traditional marriage where both parents are committed to the family is going to produce better outcomes for the children.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:12 am to stout
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Everyone has this to some degree so it isn't exclusive to just you.
To some degree, but not nearly like this. Every poll and study on this shows the same thing.
Atheists trusted on par with rapists
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:13 am to Jwodie
The "ceremony" may not have anything to do with it but the pact does
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:13 am to TJRibMe
quote:and what does this have to do with gay marriage?
I've yet to find a legit study that shows that children are not best served by a traditional, healthy marriage.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:13 am to Jwodie
My comment was in reference to the comment that this will force religions to carry out the ceremony
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