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re: The biggest problem in schools that no one is talking about
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:54 pm to colorchangintiger
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:54 pm to colorchangintiger
you and steve meve
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:55 pm to bigpetedatiga
I agree with the OP but it may be too broad to encompass the reality for everyone. I was the opposite of a grade inflation kid. Minimal effort, aced all tests, did well on standardized testing but had a lower GPA than I should have because I didn't do homework.
On the other hand, I know people who test terribly but put in max effort to get the grades. Surprisingly, one "case study" I followed closely carried it all the way through law school. I thought her "participation" success would decline in that environment, but I was wrong, she killed it.
On the other hand, I know people who test terribly but put in max effort to get the grades. Surprisingly, one "case study" I followed closely carried it all the way through law school. I thought her "participation" success would decline in that environment, but I was wrong, she killed it.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:56 pm to h0bnail
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When I graduated, graduating with honors meant something. Recently, I've seen some straight up idiots that have graduated with honors in the past 10 years.
Depends on the school.
I have seen kids go from 6 F's in a semester at one school to honor students at another.
A while back I ran into an old student. He had transferred to a different school. I asked how it liked it there and he told me how much he loved it.
His biggest point was that he might have homework once a week there as opposed to everyday at our school.
He is at the same school as the first kid I mentioned.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:57 pm to anc
I find it interesting that this thread began on the anecdote of a kid with good grades who may simply have poor test taking skills that can be corrected with a few weeks of guided preparation.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:59 pm to Rouge
My kid made considerably higher than that as a 7th grader. I'd worry if my kid made a 17 as a sophomore.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:01 pm to anc
My nephew is in 6th grade. My brother asked me for kids books the other day. I asked him why, and he said the teacher will give them 1 point for every children's book they turn in for extra credit points. Also, any baby items earn points based on price...
I was like WTF?!?
and this is a large Parochial school. SMH.
My son is a freshman, and can get 10 extra points a semester in one of his classes for a
4-6 page typed paper, with in-text citations, and at least 2 references cited.
That's deserving if it is written well, but this donation stuff is frickin crazy.
I was like WTF?!?
and this is a large Parochial school. SMH.
My son is a freshman, and can get 10 extra points a semester in one of his classes for a
4-6 page typed paper, with in-text citations, and at least 2 references cited.
That's deserving if it is written well, but this donation stuff is frickin crazy.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:06 pm to bigpetedatiga
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I have never seen box tops collected at the high school level.
What grade is the kid in?
He's a junior. The school he is at also has a "floor grade." Which means, if you don't turn something in or you just write your name on a test, the lowest grade you can receive is a 50.
I explained to my sister that he might not be as smart as she thinks he is. He has never just amazed me with intellect. I assumed it was because he had a shitty attitude. She sent me his actual grades in U.S. History last term.
Tests: 60, 67, 75, 81. Average 70.75 (40% of grade)
Homework: 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 0, 100. Average: 88.89 (40% of grade)
Daily Participation: 100 (20 percent of his grade)
I can only surmise that homework is either do it and get a 100 or don't turn it in and get a 0. Using the 40-40-20 formula, he has an 83.85 average, a B. Now, the homework and the auto 100 on participation is BS, but it is what it is.
But here's the kicker:
Sports Attendance: 20 points to lowest test grade
Fundraiser Participation: Drop Lowest Test Grade
Something marked AQ: Drop lowest homework grade
Doing this gives him a test average of 81 and a homework average of 100. So he has a 93.67 average.
10 points and a full letter grade on BS.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:06 pm to Yewkindewit
(internet explorer sucks)
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:09 pm to Yewkindewit
quote:My 15 year old has done more homework/studying thru 9th grade than I did my entire high school career. It's ridiculous how much she has.
Agree with the OP. I had 2hours of homework a night at a minimum when in HS. Kids who didn't make the grade failed. I had a pile of homework most weekends
I do think that the grades are inflated, half of her class has A-B honor roll, and 20-30 or on A honor roll. My high school class was 3 times as big with less people on both honor rolls.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:10 pm to ZereauxSum
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I find it interesting that this thread began on the anecdote of a kid with good grades who may simply have poor test taking skills that can be corrected with a few weeks of guided preparation.
Its not that. The kid still has him mom's titty in his mouth and has been coddled. Anytime something negative has come up at school, mom has come in and swooped him out of trouble. He got benched as a 12 year old in soccer and it ended up with his mom getting banned from coming to games.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:10 pm to anc
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he has an 83.85 average, a B.
That was barely a C when I went to HS.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:10 pm to carhartt
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Yes, every kid gets an award for participating or makes a team just because they signed up.
That's been going on since the 70s. I played baseball, basketball and football from K through highschool (late 70s to early 80s) and we got participation awards until high school. Kids were divided among teams after skill days. Whooptee do. I win and lose better than most a-hole hard core win at all cost super dads I know. Just let em be kids and play ball. Keep score. Play by the rules, and relax when your kid gets a 6" plastic trophy at the end of the year. Relax if they don't. Just relax. Some of you clowns suck all the fun out of athletics.
Not sure that has any bearing on academics. At all. Except that parents are so concerned with winning, they can't handle if their kid is average. Maybe the problem is win at all cost parents.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:10 pm to anc
quote:he sounds primed to attend a small liberal arts college
Its not that. The kid still has him mom's titty in his mouth and has been coddled. Anytime something negative has come up at school, mom has come in and swooped him out of trouble. He got benched as a 12 year old in soccer and it ended up with his mom getting banned from coming to games.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:12 pm to anc
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Never not made an A in a class. Got his ACT back and made a 17.
Do you realize that performance in a classroom and performance on a standardized test are mutually exclusive? Just because a kid makes a 30 on the ACT doesn't mean he's some genius. Unfortunately, a kid with half a brain can learn good test taking skills and do well on the ACT. Like others have said, maybe your nephew just isn't good at standardized test or wasn't prepared.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:12 pm to uway
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The real evil of this is that it makes it more likely that a person will choose a life path that won't satisfy them or just waste some of their best years trying to fit into a job or path that doesn't suit them.
Or they go postal on their boss because they can't get extra credit just for showing up to company meetings.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:13 pm to geauxturbo
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Yes, every kid gets an award for participating or makes a team just because they signed up.
If I were in charge, each team would have three trophies at the end of the season.
MVP
Most Improved
Best Sportsmanship
That's it.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:16 pm to anc
I agree. My SO just started teaching and the things the school does to help these kids get higher grades is astounding. Schools are just full of lazy kids who don't want to work for their grade and just want bonus points and answers handed to them.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:20 pm to anc
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Its not that. The kid still has him mom's titty in his mouth and has been coddled. Anytime something negative has come up at school, mom has come in and swooped him out of trouble.
This is the norm of suburbia unfortunately which is the opposite for kids from poor homes who do not have parents. Too many parents want to be their kids friend. News flash, the kids already has friends. You, as a parent, should too, and they shouldn't be children. Very soon, these parents will have 30 years old living in their house with no job or skill set what so ever. Then, the parents will want to know where they went wrong.
In the case of your nephew, he may be a poor test taker, a moron, or a pussy. The latter is the most likely, because ACT style tests put pressure on the test taker, and this kid has never had to face up to pressure.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:25 pm to CoachChappy
I can't find anywhere online that proves kids are getting grades changed for turning in box tops. If some administrator is allowing this, they're about to be in the cheese line.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:27 pm to anc
I made a 26 in seventh grade. Apparently I was a genius back then. I have since devolved. Lol
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