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Texas A&M: A warning to petroleum engineering students

Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:57 am
Posted by Spitting Venom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:57 am
TL;DR version: Number of PETE students steadily rising over the past 10 years; available entry-level positions may not be growing at the same rate.

As you probably know, the number of petroleum engineering students has been on the rise for the past 8-10 years. High starting salaries have attracted mass loads of students to southern universities like A&M, Texas, LSU, and others that offer the degree. But is it the right move to start studying petroleum engineering right now?

Before I post the letter from A&M, check out the LSU PETE student enrollment statistics from Fall 2003-present.
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Fall 2003: 107
Fall 2004: 189
Fall 2005: 193
Fall 2006: 240
Fall 2007: 302
Fall 2008: 345
Fall 2009: 393
Fall 2010: 458
Fall 2011: 534
Fall 2012: 777
Fall 2013: 902
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That's pretty crazy. Now, check out this letter from A&M:

quote:

Dear Admitted Aggie PETE Applicant,

The Harold Vance Department of Petroleum Engineering, Texas A&M University, is pleased that you applied and were admitted to our top ranked petroleum engineering program. If you pursue a degree in petroleum engineering, our program is committed to providing the highest quality education available.

Recent data suggests that some concern about the sustainability of the entry level job market during a time of explosive growth in the number of students studying petroleum engineering in U.S. universities may be prudent.

Our advice is that you become aware of graduation projections and petroleum industry employment outlook for people with petroleum engineering degrees. For example, between fall 2011 and fall 2012, the number of freshmen in petroleum engineering programs in the U.S. increased from 1,388 to 2,153, a 55% jump in one year. Based on the many inquiries and applications TAMU is receiving for the petroleum engineering major, the number of U.S. students in petroleum engineering will probably continue a strong upward trend, as long as the employment market remains stable. These days, a very large number of people are already studying in petroleum engineering programs (see attachment, showing data made available through the Society of Petroleum Engineers, SPE), at a time when: the number of recent graduates, who began their studies several years ago, is already at about historical highs and growing rapidly (see attachment); our program’s board of industry advisors are recommending that we “do not grow” our undergraduate program at this time; and oil and natural gas price projections and expectations of U.S. governmental policy influences are viewed as not particularly encouraging by the U.S. petroleum industry.

We are not trying to discourage you from a career that we think is among the most fascinating, dynamic, challenging careers that exist. However, we also want you to know that the Aggie PETE program is doing the right thing by providing you with information that could end up being important to your future.

Sincerely,
Xxxxxxxxx
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Just thought I would share the information to those who know potential students interested in a career in the industry. It's something that incoming students may not think about until they begin searching for internships and jobs later in the curriculum.

I have heard that the number of available entry-level petroleum engineering jobs has remained somewhat constant over the past few years, yet the number of students keeps increasing. Probably good for the industry, as more competition may lead to better candidates, but that competition might lead to a number of unemployed PETE graduates if hiring rates do indeed stay relatively constant.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
48945 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:03 am to
LSU PETE program: Boosting the petroleum engineering talent pool
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With the predicted great crew change around the corner, the oil and gas industry continues to brace for a recruitment struggle in the years to come. The projected talent gap is even wider when it comes to petroleum engineers. The US Bureau of Labor Statistics predicts a startling 26% growth in the number of open petroleum engineer positions from 2012 to 2020. While oil and gas companies continue to launch their own initiatives to encourage STEM education and usher in the next generation of talent, one educational institution is also doing its part.












That is all very true. I believe they are doing their best to "trim the fat" so to speak and weed out a lot of the incoming freshman early to help avoid these problems.

As far as I know, right now, recent graduates are almost all placed into jobs immediately upon graduating
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 9:29 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19609 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:03 am to
Yup, unless a bunch switch they are going to be mightily disappointed when they grad. They all have grandiose plans of going to work for a major, sitting on there arse in an office doing nothing making 100K right out of college. Boy do they get butt hurt when grad time comes and the only companies looking at them are service based and they find out they are spending the next 4 years in the field. Oil prices stay down for an extended period they wont have anyone looking at them.
Posted by Radiojones
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Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:05 am to
Could you imagine if all universities and their various colleges were that frank with their students? It would absolutely devastate the liberal arts programs.
Posted by Spitting Venom
Member since Sep 2013
1110 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:07 am to
All schools should be informative about the job market. I wish A&M wasn't the only school warning their students. Otherwise, there will be mass loads of surprised, angry graduates without jobs.
Posted by hardhead
stinky bayou
Member since Jun 2009
5745 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:07 am to
the bubble has definitely busted.

by the time they graduate, 100K won't be a good salary anymore. Inflation sucks.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:07 am to
Very true. Nice post
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
8968 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Could you imagine if all universities and their various colleges were that frank with their students? It would absolutely devastate the liberal arts programs.


I'm with you, kudos to A&M for being transparent with their students. I wish more colleges and Universities would follow suit...
Posted by meeple
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Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:10 am to
In. 20 pages.

ME checking in.
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13498 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:10 am to
The letter seems hugely misguided. What do they want the kids to pursue instead? Law? Medicine? Liberal arts?

I think EVERY degree program is hugely overpopulated. Because every job now requires a bachelors - not for any specific skills, just to show that you're not an idiot. Combined with the availability of "cheap" student loans and you're setting most graduates up for disappointment. My political science degree did not pave the way for a lucrative career as a lobbyist, I'm sad to say.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 9:13 am
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:11 am to
PETE is super specific.

Meche or ChemE give way more options
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97649 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Oil prices stay down for an extended period they wont have anyone looking at them.


oil prices stay down there will be a lot more than new grads struggling


back in the mid 80s the petroleum engineers were waiting tables
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:13 am to
That letter is amazing
Posted by Spitting Venom
Member since Sep 2013
1110 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:13 am to
Misguided in what way? They are just warning students that the job market will be competitive when these students graduate. I don't see an issue with that. I think it's a fair warning, and more universities should inform their new students with this kind of information.
Posted by ArkhamKnight
Member since Oct 2014
48 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:14 am to
Yes. My classmate from high school is playing 30,000 per year for film school . Another girl took out a loan to study Asian studies at Emory for 20000 a year . I wish these colleges did the right thing .
Posted by Becasse
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2013
83 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:15 am to
quote:

The letter seems hugely misguided. What do they want the kids to pursue instead? Law? Medicine? Liberal arts?


A&M is just being upfront with their students, and I guarantee you the clowns at LSU PETE would not have the foresight to do this.

Great post, seems like everyone coming into school wants a PETE degree thinking it automatically=$$$. A large portion will not make it through the curriculum and many that do will be kicking themselves. Takes a lot more than decent grades to get a what I would call a good job in the oilfield right out of school
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:15 am to
I wish more colleges were as frank with potential students as they are.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47507 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:15 am to
quote:

That is all very true. I believe they are doing their best to "trim the fat" so to speak and weed out a lot of the incoming freshman early to help avoid these problems. As far as I know, right now, recent graduates are almost all placed into jobs immediately upon graduating


Buddy of mine graduated from LSU in PE in 1998. He was told the supply for these grads would never meet the demand. He was wrong. But..... he just made 40 this year and has a big arse house on big arse property, $$$$ in the bank, and cush arse job( he did put in quite a few years in Houston and Alaska).
Posted by Jet12
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Member since Nov 2010
20554 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:15 am to
Yep. The oil companies have some of the highest GPA requirements for internships and the like.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19609 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:17 am to
quote:

oil prices stay down there will be a lot more than new grads struggling


back in the mid 80s the petroleum engineers were waiting tables


Trust me I know, if that hadnt happened I wouldnt even have fricked with college.
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