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re: Tesla Semi could be ‘the biggest catalyst in trucking in decades’
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:31 am to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:31 am to DavidTheGnome
Stock in truck stop whore pussy just plummeted.
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:32 am to LSUSoulja08
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can they program the damn thing to stay the frick in the right lane??
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:33 am to fightin tigers
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substandard roads
So, it can drive at least 300 miles
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:35 am to shel311
quote:Main point is there is a whole lot of hat but very little cattle in all the hype that appears to want the general populous to think all this electric/autonomous/AI vehicle technology is 'just around the corner' in order to gain political and financial traction for what very well could be only one of many different solutions to problems that may or may not be solely intrinsic...
what is your main point?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:37 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I'm trying to tell you that's a pretty weak point.
My main point is the extra weight of an electric truck versus a standard.
quote:Why would you pick a very underpowered vehicle with a tiny engine to compare to the Tesla? Why not pick something more comparable like some Mercedes model or something? The Tesla would still rip the doors off of it, but at least it would come close to packing the same power. I know why, because they're about the same weight and it doesn't fit your narrative.
Look at it this way, a Chevy Malibu weight 3,100 lbs. It's about the same size as a Tesla Model S. But the Tesla weighs over 4,600 lbs.
quote:Actually, the difference could very likely be smaller when you're talking about big trucks, because a higher fraction of the weight of the vehicle is "truck" rather than battery.
That difference is huge, especially when you start talking about big trucks versus cars.
quote:Again, you're not accounting for the fact that the cost of the fuel and driver are HUGE factors in the economic feasibility of a truck. With those costs eliminated, the loads can be lighter and still be more profitable.
Again, the heavier the truck, the less weight it can legally haul. And the less freight it can haul, the less economically feesable the truck.
Though I still think you'll be surprised by the weight of these trucks.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:41 am to Knight of Old
Great post. Can tell you've thought a lot about this.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:42 am to Knight of Old
quote:In fairness, it IS just around the corner. Auto pilot is already here, and Tesla vehicles will be fully autonomous very soon, so again, I'm not sure what you mean.
Main point is there is a whole lot of hat but very little cattle in all the hype that appears to want the general populous to think all this electric/autonomous/AI vehicle technology is 'just around the corner' in order to gain political and financial traction for what very well could be only one of many different solutions to problems that may or may not be solely intrinsic...
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:42 am to Knight of Old
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Main point is there is a whole lot of hat but very little cattle in all the hype that appears to want the general populous to think all this electric/autonomous/AI vehicle technology is 'just around the corner' in order to gain political and financial traction for what very well could be only one of many different solutions to problems that may or may not be solely intrinsic...
No, they've got a new snake oil salesman dangling something shiny and new in their face. Nothing you say will make them think logically. It's new so it has to be good.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:42 am to Martini
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I have concerns with an empty cabin dragging a fully loaded 53' van coming towards me. They will have to prove it to me.
I trust Tesla more than your average overweight, diabetic, chain smoking, caffeine chugging, amphetamine hiding truck driver.
they are literally the worst employee base in the US.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:43 am to eddieray
Nikola on the front would be a bad arse way to market the Semi Tesla line.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:44 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I think the sooner you realize this is definitely going to happen, the better off you'll be.
No, they've got a new snake oil salesman dangling something shiny and new in their face. Nothing you say will make them think logically. It's new so it has to be good.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:45 am to YumYum Sauce
quote:That's a bingo.
I trust Tesla more than your average overweight, diabetic, chain smoking, caffeine chugging, amphetamine hiding truck driver.
And again, we're talking about where Tesla is at now with the autonomous vehicle, not where they could be in 5, 10, 25 years.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:46 am to DavidTheGnome
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Tesla Semi could be ‘the biggest catalyst in trucking in decades’
Tesla got beat to the affordable long range EV market by an old Detroit company (Chevrolet) and they are not the only autonomous player by any stretch of the imagination.
Maybe they should aim a little lower than being a massive disruption to the trucking industry. The value that they seek to add will almost certainly be beaten to market by existing competitors, and every one of their existing products came out 12-18 months later than they anticipated.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:46 am to Korkstand
quote:So, now you're arguing that there would be more vehicles on the road carrying more total weight -or just more vehicles, in general?
With those costs eliminated, the loads can be lighter and still be more profitable.
Have you never wondered why CEs count the number of vehicles in addition to their weight when factoring limits on road and bridge infrastructure? Much less how numbers affect the fluidity dynamics that increased traffic presents...
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:49 am to Darth_Vader
quote:There are already over half a million vehicles running on your snake oil in the US alone. Many of them can drive themselves already, too.
No, they've got a new snake oil salesman dangling something shiny and new in their face.
quote:This statement applies more to you.
Nothing you say will make them think logically.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:51 am to dewster
quote:I think you're missing the point, which is that Tesla is the main factor forcing the change. You know, the "catalyst".
Tesla got beat to the affordable long range EV market by an old Detroit company (Chevrolet) and they are not the only autonomous player by any stretch of the imagination.
Maybe they should aim a little lower than being a massive disruption to the trucking industry. The value that they seek to add will almost certainly be beaten to market by existing competitors, and every one of their existing products came out 12-18 months later than they anticipated.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:56 am to shel311
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I think the sooner you realize this is definitely going to happen, the better off you'll be.
I have no doubt it will happen. I just don't see it happening in any of our lifetimes. It's not near as simple as any of you kids think. You're talking about a fundamental shift in a transportation system that spans an entire continent. Even if Tesla started full production tomorrow you'd still have years (probably decades) of road reconstruction, hundreds of power plants to build (go look at how long building even one takes), and then building up the infrastructure to charge the things every few hundred miles.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:58 am to Raylan70
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Little Kim's Nukes
The Big Quake
Yellowstone Blowing
I'm counting on one of these 3 wiping out silicon valley before they wipe us out.
I'm with you. Let's solve traffic and pollution problems by going hyper-local.
Sorry, you don't get to eat avocados in the winter in New York.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:59 am to Darth_Vader
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It's not near as simple as any of you kids think.
quote:I understand it's not trucking, but if I told you 10 years ago Tesla would be where they are now, or SpaceX for that matter, I bet you would have never in your wildest dreams thought they'd be where they are now in 2017.
I have no doubt it will happen. I just don't see it happening in any of our lifetimes.
So there's that.
The fully autonomous trucking thing may be many many years in advance, but you're being pretty naive if you don't think EV trucking will be a thing in your lifetime or in the 20-30 years.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:00 am to Knight of Old
quote:I'm arguing that autonomous electric semis will be more profitable than diesel ones with a driver.
So, now you're arguing that there would be more vehicles on the road carrying more total weight -or just more vehicles, in general?
quote:No, I haven't wondered that, because it has absolutely no bearing on anything related to my life. It also has little bearing on this conversation. What percentage of highway miles are driven by trucks? My quick research says about 10%. Let's say we have to DOUBLE that by going electric. Are you a CE, or do you know one that can run some quick figures on this? The impact seems minimal, and that's assuming electrics can't come closer to diesels in this regard.
Have you never wondered why CEs count the number of vehicles in addition to their weight when factoring limits on road and bridge infrastructure?
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Much less how numbers affect the fluidity dynamics that increased traffic presents...
Man, you are REALLY stretching this anti-electric argument now
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