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Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:04 am to Korkstand
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Korkstand
Please tell me how much experence you have in the trucking business.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:07 am to Darth_Vader
Do you think Elon is going at this willy nilly, or do you think maybe he has advisors who have been in the trucking business as long as you have?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:09 am to shel311
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Do you think Elon is going at this willy nilly, or do you think maybe he has advisors who have been in the trucking business as long as you have?
I'm sure he has advisors and I'm sure unless their a collection of fools they're telling him the same things I am. They might have some concepts made in a few years. But as far as fundamentally transforming trucking to electic, that's still years or decades away.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:12 am to DavidTheGnome
There is no free lunch in regards to "clean" energy or energy of any kind. The vehicle may be not be emitting pollution as it rolls through town but somewhere in the process of creating electricity for the vehicle it happened. Not only did it happen but also more energy was expended than recouped, making it inefficient and more of a burden on the planet.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:14 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Ten years ago, did you think that every single person you see would have a touchscreen computer in their pocket by now?
I have no doubt it will happen. I just don't see it happening in any of our lifetimes.
And newsflash: THERE ARE ALREADY FULLY-AUTONOMOUS ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON THE ROAD TODAY. We are still within your lifetime, right?
quote:The hardest parts will be political/legal/regulatory.
It's not near as simple as any of you kids think.
quote:They use the same roads..
You're talking about a fundamental shift in a transportation system that spans an entire continent.
quote:The roads don't need to be reconstructed to accommodate electric trucks, they need to be reconstructed because they're falling apart.
Even if Tesla started full production tomorrow you'd still have years (probably decades) of road reconstruction,
quote:Our power capacity has been increasing forever, and will continue to increase for the foreseeable future. I think you're really overestimating the extra "surge" that will be required to power more electric vehicles. It will be a lot, but our capacity will scale with the demand because it has to. There will be money to be made there, so it will be done.
hundreds of power plants to build
quote:Luckily, we already have a fairly robust infrastructure for transporting electricity.
and then building up the infrastructure to charge the things every few hundred miles.
Yeah, it's going to take a long, long time to replace EVERY truck, if that ever happens. But the reality is that within MOST of our lifetimes, autonomous electric trucks will become more economically viable than human-driven diesel trucks.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:24 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Why do I need experience in the trucking business in order to see the writing on the wall?
Please tell me how much experence you have in the trucking business.
Drivers cost money, and fuel costs money. That's all you need to understand to accept the fact that those things will be eliminated.
Machines build nearly everything we buy. Machines sweep our floors. Machines do so many things for us that you apparently don't even realize, and they're doing more and more every day.
When you buy something from Amazon, more than likely a machine collected the raw material to make it with very little human intervention, a machine built it, packed it, loaded it, shipped it, received it, sorted it at the dist center, took your order, processed your payment, and then loaded it again for shipment. Counting the UPS man, maybe half a dozen people in the world ever physically handled your product as it made its way from halfway around the world to your door. Not only is that fricking amazing, but there are people working night and day to make the human involvement even less.
Truck drivers need to start working on developing new skills TODAY. Otherwise we are going to have some serious unemployment problems in the coming decades.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:28 am to Darth_Vader
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I'm sure he has advisors and I'm sure unless their a collection of fools they're telling him the same things I am.
quote:Tesla will reveal the truck later this MONTH. My guess is it will be less concept and closer to a production model than you believe.
They might have some concepts made in a few years.
quote:Of course the full transformation is decades away, but the tipping point where the industry realizes the economics of it should be rather soon.
But as far as fundamentally transforming trucking to electic, that's still years or decades away.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:30 am to RummelTiger
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Tesla, Alphabet, Apple, Facebook...
Behold your future, people!
You forgot to add "The O-T Lounge".
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:30 am to GulfstreamTiger
quote:Oh jesus, get out of here with that bullshite.
There is no free lunch in regards to "clean" energy or energy of any kind. The vehicle may be not be emitting pollution as it rolls through town but somewhere in the process of creating electricity for the vehicle it happened. Not only did it happen but also more energy was expended than recouped, making it inefficient and more of a burden on the planet.
You act as if all sources of energy are the same, and that there can be no improvement. Oblivious.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:31 am to Korkstand
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Of course the full transformation is decades away, but the tipping point where the industry realizes the economics of it should be rather soon.
hes like the guy at AOL who thinks dial-up internet will never be replaced
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:35 am to jbgleason
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Soooo many people will fight this for a variety of selfish reasons.
Of course they will, the biggest reason being this has the ability to put millions and millions of white men out of work
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:40 am to DavidTheGnome
The technology is there to do it.
It maybe ready in 2020 which is possible.
The product has to be mass produced to make money and payoff the R&D.
Even if it is the best product since sliced bread they have a few years for the market to accept it and buy it or they will lose their shirt tails.
The big question is will the industry accept it right away for perceive it as an inferior product?
It maybe ready in 2020 which is possible.
The product has to be mass produced to make money and payoff the R&D.
Even if it is the best product since sliced bread they have a few years for the market to accept it and buy it or they will lose their shirt tails.
The big question is will the industry accept it right away for perceive it as an inferior product?
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:52 am to Korkstand
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Oh jesus, get out of here with that bull shite.
You act as if all sources of energy are the same, and that there can be no improvement. Oblivious.
All energy sources the same? No I do not do any such thing. There is a loss of energy when converting energy to another form.
Improvements? Like solar energy or wind? You need to gtfo with that ruse.
You have no idea what you speak about.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:09 pm to GulfstreamTiger
quote:Then what was the purpose of saying
All energy sources the same? No I do not do any such thing.
quote:That's just a load of garbage. There is absolutely no reason to spout any of that stuff other than to give the impression that it's pointless to develop new energy sources and systems.
There is no free lunch in regards to "clean" energy or energy of any kind. The vehicle may be not be emitting pollution as it rolls through town but somewhere in the process of creating electricity for the vehicle it happened. Not only did it happen but also more energy was expended than recouped, making it inefficient and more of a burden on the planet.
quote:Yeah, no shite. So how do you suggest we use it?
There is a loss of energy when converting energy to another form.
quote:No ruse. Both have zero fuel input costs, and zero fuel consumption pollution. So your claim that "more energy was expended than recouped, making it inefficient and more of a burden on the planet" is flat out bunk. Even if you must pollute during manufacture, it ends there. The pollution produced per unit energy is zero. The lifetime pollution per unit energy generated is far less for solar and wind than it is for fossil fuels.
Improvements? Like solar energy or wind? You need to gtfo with that ruse.
Not only that, but the costs are competitive, if not better already. Again, when your fuel input costs are zero, the long-run economics look good.
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You have no idea what you speak about.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:10 pm to DavidTheGnome
I can actually see this as feasible with solar panels on the roof of trailer part of a tractor/trailer.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:59 pm to Korkstand
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Why do I need experience in the trucking business in order to see the writing on the wall?
Drivers cost money, and fuel costs money. That's all you need to understand to accept the fact that those things will be eliminated.
Machines build nearly everything we buy. Machines sweep our floors. Machines do so many things for us that you apparently don't even realize, and they're doing more and more every day.
When you buy something from Amazon, more than likely a machine collected the raw material to make it with very little human intervention, a machine built it, packed it, loaded it, shipped it, received it, sorted it at the dist center, took your order, processed your payment, and then loaded it again for shipment. Counting the UPS man, maybe half a dozen people in the world ever physically handled your product as it made its way from halfway around the world to your door. Not only is that fricking amazing, but there are people working night and day to make the human involvement even less.
Truck drivers need to start working on developing new skills TODAY. Otherwise we are going to have some serious unemployment problems in the coming decades.
What's funny is you're too ignorant to even realize how ignorant you really are.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:00 pm to DavidTheGnome
I always enjoyed Maximum Overdrive
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:23 pm to Darth_Vader
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What's funny is you're too ignorant to even realize how ignorant you really are.
No, what's funny is you probably laugh at fast-food workers for wanting raises, and tell them they'll be replaced by machines...
And then you don't even realize that driving a truck barely requires more skill than working in fast food, and then you get all up in arms when someone suggests they can be replaced with machines.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:44 pm to Korkstand
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Tesla already demonstrated this tech a few years ago.
That's all well and good but thus far (as far as I know) there is no industry standard for battery placement nor size. Such a machine would need either an industry standard so it can work regardless of vehicle manufacturer or be highly adaptable.
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