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Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:33 am to lsucoonass
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Can you elaborate? I'm a Catholic but I don't go regularly because like many I don't understand the message or get it.
The history of the mass is a good place to start. Many people try to put the homily or sermon at the center of the mass. It is a sacrifice and celebration for jesus dying on the cross for us. The pinnacle of the mass is the transubstantiation of the bread and wine to body and blood and the fact that christ's body and blood is truly present in the mass and that all the saints in heaven are kneeling and admiring the sacrifice with us.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:33 am to maxxrajun70
I go to a non denom church and if this became a thing for people then I'd probably leave. This is just not something I can be around.
ETA: Nurse: Our churches sound very similar
ETA: Nurse: Our churches sound very similar
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:33 am to lsunurse
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No speaking in tongues and running up and down the aisles in theatrics.
fwiw, this is straight up stolen from pentecostals
many "non-denoms" are just pentecostal-lite, as in no weird rules for women and no history of racism, etc. many actual pentecostal churches have adopted this same mentality as well (while the apostolics have stayed traditional)
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:34 am to FishinTygah84
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what a terrible analogy.
You just got LucasPeed, it happens
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:35 am to SabiDojo
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And there it is.
non-denom just means something to protestants
like i said a lot of this stuff is just pentecostal-lite, and there are competing associations of pentecostal churches. "non-denom" just means more of an independent church structure (even if there is "franchising" with multiple campuses)
even like your small baptist churches will most often be part of a larger association
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:35 am to meauxjeaux2
The are two "types" of speaking in tongues referenced in the bible
Even though the apostles were speaking in an unknown language, the listeners were able to understand, each in his own language. There is no other mention of this type of speaking in tongues in the Bible.
Speaking in an ecstatic language was common among members of the early Christian churches, but no one could understand this form of speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:2). Sometimes the speaker or another person would interpret the meaning.
Both cases were the work of the Holy Spirit. The apostle Paul classified speaking in tongues as just one of the spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:6-11, Romans 12:6-8). Paul was thankful for his own gift of speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:18-19). But Paul told his churches that it was better practiced in private than in church, unless someone could interpret the ecstatic speech (1 Corinthians 14:23, 27-28). The gift of speaking in tongues was less important than the gifts of prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:2-5) and love (1 Corinthians 13:1). Nevertheless, speaking in tongues should not be forbidden (1 Corinthians 14:39).
Several other New Testament passages point to speaking in tongues as evidence of the working of the Holy Spirit (Mark 16:17, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 19:4-6).
However, there is nothing in the Bible saying speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation.
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On the day of Pentecost Jesus' apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other tongues. Those who heard this speech each heard it in his own language, even though they were from many different countries (Acts 2:1-13)
Even though the apostles were speaking in an unknown language, the listeners were able to understand, each in his own language. There is no other mention of this type of speaking in tongues in the Bible.
Speaking in an ecstatic language was common among members of the early Christian churches, but no one could understand this form of speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:2). Sometimes the speaker or another person would interpret the meaning.
Both cases were the work of the Holy Spirit. The apostle Paul classified speaking in tongues as just one of the spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:6-11, Romans 12:6-8). Paul was thankful for his own gift of speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:18-19). But Paul told his churches that it was better practiced in private than in church, unless someone could interpret the ecstatic speech (1 Corinthians 14:23, 27-28). The gift of speaking in tongues was less important than the gifts of prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:2-5) and love (1 Corinthians 13:1). Nevertheless, speaking in tongues should not be forbidden (1 Corinthians 14:39).
Several other New Testament passages point to speaking in tongues as evidence of the working of the Holy Spirit (Mark 16:17, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 19:4-6).
However, there is nothing in the Bible saying speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 9:36 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:35 am to SabiDojo
So you've attended a few of the services then?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:35 am to Salmon
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My wife was raised as Pentecostal
I was used by a ex-pentecostal once. I was basically her coming out party. Wow.
*high fives salmon*
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:36 am to its1999
speaking in tongues is 100 percent legitimate.
This is how it works:
The Holy Spirit enters your body at a time when your senses are heightened by the glory of God. At that point you are possessed, not by a demon, but by the glory of God. Your body strengthens, your muscles flex, your eyes roll back in your head, and then the Holy Spirit speaks through you in a language only you and the Holy Spirit can understand.
It's a legitimate private conversation with God. And the Bible supports it.
This is how it works:
The Holy Spirit enters your body at a time when your senses are heightened by the glory of God. At that point you are possessed, not by a demon, but by the glory of God. Your body strengthens, your muscles flex, your eyes roll back in your head, and then the Holy Spirit speaks through you in a language only you and the Holy Spirit can understand.
It's a legitimate private conversation with God. And the Bible supports it.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:36 am to Cdawg
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I was used by a ex-pentecostal once. I was basically her coming out party. Wow.
How hairy was the beav?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:36 am to Cdawg
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I was used by a ex-pentecostal once. I was basically her coming out party. Wow.
heard so many stories about this over the years
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:37 am to Moustache
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quote:We both are catholic and kids in catholic school but she said she was not getting anything out of the mass when w Mass isn't about you and what you "get". I understand the sentiment, but it helped me to look into why things are the way they are in mass and what it means. It'll make a lot more sense.
I hear ya baw but when im in mass im usually day dreaming about some other crap because the old school "sermon" is hard to follow.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:37 am to dualed
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Everytime I go to Catholic mass, which is only for weddings, I get the weirdest vibe when the priest says something and everyone mumbles a memorized phrase. It feels cult-ish. I just smile to myself . But hey if that's your thing then go for it.
The Cathoilc church is like crossfit for old people.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:39 am to Brageous
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This is just not something I can be around.
Same. When I was looking for a new church home one of the churches I went to did this....I didn't go back. That stuff just makes me uncomfortable.
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Nurse: Our churches sound very similar
They likely are. Ours does sermons straight from the Bible. They will do various series throughout the year studying different books of the Bible. Our lead pastor is a guy in his 50s and not "cool" by any means. The campus is large and it does have some nice things....but again it is in Scottsdale where many of it's church members are very wealthy and give heavily to their church. However, as much as they have in "nice features" they also do a lot of community outreach and international outreach. Our church is all about helping out those in need...in our area and in the world. Many of our members realize they are very blessed financially and want to use their blessing to help out others in need.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:39 am to mizzoukills
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The Holy Spirit enters your body at a time when your senses are heightened by the glory of God. At that point you are possessed, not by a demon, but by the glory of God. Your body strengthens, your muscles flex, your eyes roll back in your head, and then the Holy Spirit speaks through you in a language only you and the Holy Spirit can understand.
have you ever seen people talking in tongues when there wasn't a high-energy background?
either the preacher raising up the levels or music being played or something similar
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
I was raised in a "non denom" church
It was very conservative and was a mix of Baptist and Calvinism in its teachings, which is why it was not considered a Baptist church
very small, very conservative, but never any tongues or hard lined rules about dress or anything like that
nobody celebrated Christmas though, or any religious holidays really
It was very conservative and was a mix of Baptist and Calvinism in its teachings, which is why it was not considered a Baptist church
very small, very conservative, but never any tongues or hard lined rules about dress or anything like that
nobody celebrated Christmas though, or any religious holidays really
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 9:41 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:40 am to fr33manator
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You aren't going to a rock show. Since when is mass supposed to entertain you?
This X 1,000,000. Why do people think they should "get something" out an act that was designed as worship of God?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:41 am to Salmon
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mix of Baptist and Calvinism
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nobody celebrated Christmas though, or any religious holidays really
sounds like some Jehovah's Witness was involved, too
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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sounds like some Jehovah's Witness was involved, too
nah they straight up hated JWs
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