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Posted on 9/6/14 at 11:58 am to OMFGKenny
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Also Viets can afford to work because the government hands everything they need to them. New boats, equipment, etc.
Lol wat?
They pool their money and work their asses off.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:00 pm to upgrayedd
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No one has explained this yet
It's redneck blather/bullshite. They took our jerbs!
I know two families in that business and they work 7 days a week with zero government assistance. They live to work.
I might hate them and make up crap if I had to compete with them too.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:04 pm to upgrayedd
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quote:Also Viets can afford to work because the government hands everything they need to them. New boats, equipment, etc No one has explained this yet
It's true to some extent. My dad had a commercial seafood dock for 25 years and we saw it. The goverenment subsidized big boats for them back in the 80's and 90's. Not sure if they still do it now. A lot of the vietnamese came over here and worked on local fisherman's boats until they could buy their own or some of them got loans from the government.
On average they do work hard but so do a lot of white commercial fisherman.
Fisherman get a bad reputation and some of it is justified. I know because I dealt with them for years. Some of them would make $40,000-$50,000 in 1-2 months during mullet season in Venice and be broke a few months later.
But just like anything and any industry, there are good ones too that save their money and are fiscally responsible. It's not easy making a living as a fisherman anymore. With imports (which started in the late 80's on), it has made it hard for them to survive. Probably more than 50-60% of them are out of the business compared to the 80's-90's.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:05 pm to CHEDBALLZ
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Not always. A couple of them that I know bought titties for their ole ladys. So not all of them paid for bigger boats.
Well, bigger motorboats...
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Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:08 pm to JasonL79
As far as prices, the shrimp factories are probably having trouble moving their high priced meat right now and that is why prices have dropped. It's a normal thing that happens every year in the shrimp business but the past two years have been unique because of the import shrimp disease problem and lower supply coming in from Asia.
In the last year or two, shrimp prices have been the highest it has been since the 70's-80's (before the imports). But if you figured in inflation they are still getting less than they did back then.
In the last year or two, shrimp prices have been the highest it has been since the 70's-80's (before the imports). But if you figured in inflation they are still getting less than they did back then.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:29 pm to JasonL79
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Also Viets can afford to work because the government hands everything they need to them. New boats, equipment, etc
Not sure where this misconception came from but this is not true at all. There is no government subsidies or handouts. Fishing boats are bought by the Vietnamese community pooling in there money. My dad and his friends bought their first boat in 83' by pooling his money with 3 other family(also had to borrow more from friends and family). The thing with minorities is they are really good at loaning money and helping each other. You will see the same thing with cambodian with doughnut shop, pakistanis with gas station, indians with 7-11, korean with dry cleaners, etc.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:11 pm to JasonL79
quote:, still this is not a handout.
got loans from the government.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:36 pm to bigxxxboss
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Fishing boats are bought by the Vietnamese community pooling in there money. My dad and his friends bought their first boat in 83' by pooling his money with 3 other family(also had to borrow more from friends and family). The thing with minorities is they are really good at loaning money and helping each other. You will see the same thing with cambodian with doughnut shop, pakistanis with gas station, indians with 7-11, korean with dry cleaners, etc
This is true. Vietnamese are very good at pooling their money and working with other Vietnamese. White americans are not nearly as good with working with other white americans.
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Not sure where this misconception came from but this is not true at all. There is no government subsidies or handouts.
It is true to a certain extent. There were some interest free loans given to them that weren't available to white Americans back in the 80's. GMC (think that was the company) even had deals to put motors in their boats which were either interest free or subsidized.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:40 pm to tokenasian37
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quote:got loans from the government. , still this is not a handout.
No but some did take advantage of it which can make it just like a handout.
Some of them accepted the loans and a lot of them defaulted on their loans. Some even painted their boats and changed the names so the government wouldn't take back the boats or so they couldn't locate them.
A lot of people in this thread making it seem like the Vietnamese fisherman are saints but they are just like any race and will take advantage of things if given the chance. There are good ones and bad ones in every race.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:41 pm to JasonL79
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It is true to a certain extent. There were some interest free loans given to them that weren't available to white Americans back in the 80's. GMC (think that was the company) even had deals to put motors in their boats which were either interest free or subsidized.
Well I've never heard about this. Maybe because it was around 30 years ago I dunno. The viets I've known do not and have never relied on the government at all.
They work hard and don't bitch about shite. You know how America used to be before we got soft.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:44 pm to dagrippa
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Maybe because it was around 30 years ago I dunno.
I'd have to do some digging but it does kind of ring a bell that there were some financial assistance programs for Vietnamese refugees shortly after the war
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:44 pm to dagrippa
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They work hard and don't bitch about shite.
I've heard them bitch a lot.
I used to have over 200+ boats of them selling to my dad's dock.
Look at the strike pictures. A lot of them are Vietnamese fisherman. Vietnamese fisherman strike just like the white Americans. They are getting acclimated to our ways.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:46 pm to 777Tiger
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I'd have to do some digging but it does kind of ring a bell that there were some financial assistance programs for Vietnamese refugees shortly after the war
Yes and I don't blame the government. They were trying to introduce the Vietnamese refugees into the country and make them productive. They had a lot of trouble when they first came here with some of the American fisherman not wanting the Vietnamese fisherman in their areas.
Some took advantage of the assistance for the good and did really well for themselves. Others not so much.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:51 pm to WoWyHi
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Lots of people I know made a lot of money from BP with their boats.
I know people who serve at restaurants that made good money and people who worked as contractors who said the downturn caused them to work less.
It's crazy.
I never took FEMA or BP money.
(I did take a $200 food stamp card from the State of Texas though, just because they were handing them out)
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:59 pm to Festus
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Those guys are hungry and hard working, and most didn't get fat and lazy ripping off BP.
Obligatory reference
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:04 pm to lsusteve1
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Why do you think there are so many Vietnamese stores, cleaners, etc popping up.....all Government assisted.
Actually, they sometime pool through families.
I never heard of many getting assistance, other than help relocating here.
Viet stores are usually nit in the best of areas, they buy in and work hard and move up.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:06 pm to JasonL79
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They had a lot of trouble when they first came here with some of the American fisherman not wanting the Vietnamese fisherman in their areas.
I've heard stories about some white boats peppering them with bird shot over territory.
Didn't work. Now they just bitch and whine on the internet about the viets. Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:08 pm to choupiquesushi
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Gripe about imported shrimp when they drive imported trucks...
well technically Toyota and Nisan make their trucks here, but I agree with your point.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:09 pm to Mizz-SEC
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No it's not. Marginally down, at best. and then only temporarily.
I paid $.50 less today than I paid three weeks ago.
I call that being down.
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