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re: Serial ... Is Adnan Syed Guilty?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:12 pm to Amazing Moves
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:12 pm to Amazing Moves
They've only picked one so far and it was sent to Sarah because she wrote about an attorney in the case when she was a Baltimore journo. So it sort of picked her.
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:18 pm to Pettifogger
Adnan had Jay kill Hae.
Thats why neither of them can tell the full truth
Thats why neither of them can tell the full truth
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:23 pm to Danny Woodhead
quote:
Adnan had Jay kill Hae.
Thats why neither of them can tell the full truth
If that's what happened, why wouldn't Adnan say this from the beginning?
Posted on 1/22/15 at 2:28 pm to Mrs. Amaro
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Mrs. Amaro
frickin this right here. Exactly how I feel. He did it, and others are trying to cover their own involvement in a murder (remember Jay was a drug dealer in HS, he was likely terrified of prison).
BUT, I don't think they had enough to convict him, and I think defense did a piss poor job following leads and discrediting Jay's story. Calling him a liar while he answers "ma'am" to every question is not going to win the jury. (BTW, was anybody else annoyed at Cristina's courtroom voice?)
I just finished yesterday.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:11 pm to rabblerebel
I really enjoyed listening to this podcast. I was hooked from the first episode and listened to it in short order.
It's clear that Adnan is a very intelligent dude.
I have a hard time believing that Jay did not have more of a role in the killing other than just helping to bury the body. I think that Mr. S dude that found the body is sketchy and probably was hired by Adnan, facilitated by Jay and the currency for the killing was drugs.
If not that, then aliens.
It's clear that Adnan is a very intelligent dude.
I have a hard time believing that Jay did not have more of a role in the killing other than just helping to bury the body. I think that Mr. S dude that found the body is sketchy and probably was hired by Adnan, facilitated by Jay and the currency for the killing was drugs.
If not that, then aliens.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:14 pm to LSUtigerME
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BTW, was anybody else annoyed at Cristina's courtroom voice?
YEA, that bitch made my ears bleed.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:18 pm to rabblerebel
Yes.
My working theory is this:
Adnan and Jay did it together. Adnan was the mastermind and pressured Jay into it. Jay freaked out and went to the police and confessed during the 3 hours or so of his interrogation that was not recorded. The Baltimore police then scripted out a story for Jay that pegs it all on Adnan, which is clearly bullshite and keeps changing as the process goes on.
The cops get a conviction, and Jay gets out of a really bad situation. Adnan gets fricked but he deserved to anyways. It was an honor killing.
My working theory is this:
Adnan and Jay did it together. Adnan was the mastermind and pressured Jay into it. Jay freaked out and went to the police and confessed during the 3 hours or so of his interrogation that was not recorded. The Baltimore police then scripted out a story for Jay that pegs it all on Adnan, which is clearly bullshite and keeps changing as the process goes on.
The cops get a conviction, and Jay gets out of a really bad situation. Adnan gets fricked but he deserved to anyways. It was an honor killing.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:18 pm to rabblerebel
I think Jay definitely played a bigger role than he claims. But I'm not convinced that Adnan is innocent either.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:23 pm to Mrs. Amaro
Her voice was SO ANNOYING. I would not want a lawyer as annoying as her for fear of the jury voting against me just to spite her 
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:27 pm to rabblerebel
Yes...but surprised he was convicted based on the evidence.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:31 pm to Palo Gaucho
I don't know if he is guilty or not. I would lean towards no because lack of evidence. I did like the podcast. Kinda a long form Dateline episode.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 3:54 pm to Scoop
quote:
In the month or so since Serial ended, there really are only two options:
1. Adnan is guilty.
2. Adnan is innocent but the cops were sure he was their guy and fed Jay stuff to use to make sure Adnan went down.
Or maybe Jay and Jen killed Hae, because she found about them having an affair and was going to tell Stephanie (I think I got the names right), then plotted to frame Adnan.
I think Adnan did it, but still could be convinced otherwise. Jay definitely took part in the murder, in one way or another.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 11:08 pm to rabblerebel
quote:
Is Adnan Syed Guilty?
Yes.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 11:33 pm to rabblerebel
Yes.
That said, the state's version of events isn't how it went down.
Only three people really know: Jen, Jay, and Adnan.
I think Jay's role is larger than he lets on and that he told Jen right away and she actively assisted in the coverup. I think Jay admitted it to the cops during the first two (unrecorded) hours of his interrogation and the cops showed him the phone records later. His story changed a lot and included outright lies and fabrications because he was covering for the extent of his involvement in the murder and Jen's role in the coverup while using the phone data as an outline to which he knew he had to fit his fable. The cops allowed/encouraged this so they could get a conviction in their stats. There are other cases, in Baltimore in particular, where this sort of thing has happened.
That said, the state's version of events isn't how it went down.
Only three people really know: Jen, Jay, and Adnan.
I think Jay's role is larger than he lets on and that he told Jen right away and she actively assisted in the coverup. I think Jay admitted it to the cops during the first two (unrecorded) hours of his interrogation and the cops showed him the phone records later. His story changed a lot and included outright lies and fabrications because he was covering for the extent of his involvement in the murder and Jen's role in the coverup while using the phone data as an outline to which he knew he had to fit his fable. The cops allowed/encouraged this so they could get a conviction in their stats. There are other cases, in Baltimore in particular, where this sort of thing has happened.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 11:41 pm to Mrs. Amaro
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The most likely story is probably the correct one. Adnan killed Hae because he was jealous that she had moved on to Don. Jay knew about it and was probably there when it happened. He told Jen as much. Both Jen and Jay tried to minimize their involvement initially, which accounts for the bulk of the discrepancies. Jay was afraid of being an accessory to murder, so creates a story wherein Adnan confides in him. Jen is afraid of being an accessory after the fact, so she lawyers up and supports Jay's story.
Someone that Jay told about the crime placed the anonymous call and maybe sent Mr. S out looking for Hae's body.
Jay's "pathetic" according to Adnan in the courtroom because he's ratting Adnan out. However, he's so married to his innocence story that he can't contradict Jay's version of the events without directly implicating himself as at least having knowledge of a situation that he's sworn he knows nothing about.
Is that enough to convict him, though? Different issue altogether. Are my doubts considering Jay's story reasonable? I just don't see any motive for Jay to kill Hae absent involvement by Adnan. So I think the dots are there for the jury.
All of this
Posted on 1/22/15 at 11:45 pm to When in Rome
quote:Well a few of the jury members did admit to feeling sympathy for Jay because Adnan's attorney was so aggressive.
Her voice was SO ANNOYING. I would not want a lawyer as annoying as her for fear of the jury voting against me just to spite her
I still don't see how so many people can so quickly say "Adnan is guilty". Especially with the recent information that has come out.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:02 am to TxTiger82
quote:
It was an honor killing.
Or maybe Adnan is just another one of the 1500 or so dudes each year that kill their girlfriends / wives?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:11 am to Pettifogger
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Follow up question:
Does Sarah Koenig want to frick Adnan?
My guess is yes, like Helen Prejean falling for one of the pieces of shite when she wrote Dead Man Walking. And God damn her accent/inflection/style were annoyingly Generation X liberal woman. Good podcast though.
As for the question posed in the OP... it's hard to tell since the storyteller is biased. I think that based on the information provided, the handling of the case by the jury and the defense attorney sounds egregious. In that sense, it seems like a gross misapplication of justice, regardless of whether or not Adnan was guilty. Again, this is assuming Koenig isn't letting her bias ruin any element of neutrality in the way she portrays the facts of the case.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 12:13 am
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:15 am to Bayou Sam
u r angry
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:37 pm to rabblerebel
I think he is guilty. IS HE NOT???????
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