re: Off Duty cops (NYPD) want to carry handguns into NFL stadiums

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I realize this, but my point is that a CCL holder generally has far more experience and training with a firearm than simply shooting at a target a few times to get his permit. Lets not pretend that is the extent of most CCL holders training. I understand that many cops come in to the academy having handled and shot firearms before as well, but from what I've been told, most who have shot firearms on a regular basis should be able to qualify with little to no additional training.

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That's absolutely incorrect. You are making this up using anecdotal evidence and have nothing whatsoever to back this up. Most CCL holders do not have far more experience with handgun training. I would possibly agree that they do with rifles and shotguns due to hunting. But the fact of the matter is, you are making this up due to your perception of people you know, or something your dad is telling you.

The fact is, CCL holders don't have to qualify like cops do. That's a fact. And if you think that most CCL holders could qualify easily with a handgun, not a rifle, you are wrong. They would struggle from the 25 yard shooting portion without practicing from that distance.

Do you know how many people out there go and get their CCL with almost no training? You can get it as long as you can safely fire a gun. You don't have to hit a target. Every cop has to qualify. Every one. You are stating opinion as fact based on anecdotal information.

Your statement that CCL holders are better trained in shooting than LEO is wrong. I don't understand why you can't admit that.

Exactly.

I know some phenomenal outdoorsmen that I recently went with to obtain the CCL. They have been around guns and shooting their entire life. They are the safest people I've ever been around. They all obtained the CCL with no problem.

Of all of them, maybe 1 in 10 would qualify LEO right now. And they would admit that willingly. Why? Because they don't train for the qualification specific. They go to the range and shoot from 10 yards at a target with all their different handguns and they are proficient at that. But they don't train shooting quickly from the draw. They don't shoot 25 yards behind a barrier. They don't shoot with their off hand.

Could they if they trained? Yes. But that's the point, they are not as trained as LEO. They aren't required to.

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Could they if they trained? Yes. But that's the point, they are not as trained as LEO. They aren't required to.

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I agree. I know many people who could possible be trained to shoot as well as I do on POST but that is all conjecture as they haven't been trained and so I slaughter them when we shoot it together. He is delusional.

I live Louisiana.

I like the 25 yard line being on it. It gives you a good indication of poor trigger pull.

I would like to see two stages of qualifying. Post course and then a skills course. (Malfunction clearing, reloading, firing while moving, etc)

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I enjoy my job and I treat others with respect and find that they treat me with respcet as well.

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I knew you were a cop...why don't you explain why you're more equal than me and get to carry a gun where I can't? What in the constitution grants you greater rights than me?

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What have I written that is fantasy? Do you believe that felons don't ever go after the cops that arrested them? Do you believe I never see people I have arrested when off duty? I believe you are dwelling in the fantasy realm.

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Where's the rash of cop murders related to prior felons? It's a manufactured scare by cops to get greater rights than others. Do you really worry about getting attacked by a band of angry felons you arrested while at an NFL game?

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I knew you were a cop...why don't you explain why you're more equal than me and get to carry a gun where I can't? What in the constitution grants you greater rights than me?

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I don't recall ever making a statement that I am more equal than anyone else. I didn't write the legislation but I am not upset that it exists. Many of you who dislike police seem to misdirect your anger like a kid flailing away at a piñata. Cops don't write laws. If you are mad about your electricity bill do you attack the meter reader?

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I agree. I know many people who could possible be trained to shoot as well as I do on POST but that is all conjecture as they haven't been trained and so I slaughter them when we shoot it together.

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So training on the joke of a course that is the POST course and shooting it over and over and over again that you've gotten good at it somehow means you are more adequately trained than regular citizens that shoot regularly, or maybe enroll in professional shooting courses? Or better yet military vets? You guys are acting like the POST course is the end all be all of gun quals or something, when you all know good and well that when LEOs fail to qualify they just reshoot again and again until they pass.

I mean if training is what sets cops apart for being able to carry any and everywhere then myself and other experienced military veterans should be able to do it as well.

I know you've already expressed your agreement to allow others to carry Dan, I'm just more trying to figure out where the whole "i'm better than you" type reasoning/attitude comes from (not necessarily you, just cops in general). I mean when I was active we did move and shoots, covering fire, house/room clearing, stuff that LEOs have to damn near be "SWAT" to do so I know for a fact I have and others like me have at the minimum twice the amount of weapons training than most LEOs, so why don't people like me get to be the exception to the rule as well?

I understand theres a federal CCL law for LEOs and all that but that law doesn't say a private entity can't tell an off duty LEO to leave their gun at home or in the car during their even in a stadium that only exists because of said private entity's events, it just means they wont get into trouble in other states for CCing.