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re: Mid air collision in SC: Cessna and F-16 **2 on Cessna Killed**
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:51 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:51 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:how airborne radar was not in use for the F16 pilot in this incident is mind boggling. The Cessna pilot had noting at all instrument wise like the F16 pilot has at his fingertips.
Probably the F16 pilot
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:51 pm to OchoDedos
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highly possible C150 blundered into a restricted area.
That's why in my last post I asked a lurking pilot (there are a lot) to look up the NOTAMS and check for TFRs in that area.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:52 pm to jbgleason
Covering a mile every 5 seconds or so. At low altitude, I imagine a F-16 pilot is primarily focused on their instruments and whatever waypoints are in their mission profile. I suspect a Cessna could very easily "suddenly" appear.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:54 pm to cubsfan5150
Unless the 16 was on approach/take-off or doing ordinance training, there's no reason for the 16 to be that low, in that terrain.
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How low and what terrain? Coastal SC is pretty flat.
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How low and what terrain? Coastal SC is pretty flat.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:56 pm to sicboy
I just check, there is no TFR listed today in the entire state of South Carolina.
LINK
Anytime the military does anything or Air Force one is in the air, TFRs (temporary flight restrictions) are issued.
A TFR has to be issued for military jets operating low and outside of training lanes. (there are a ton of training lanes in Florida and out west) They are not called training lanes, the name escapes me.
LINK
Anytime the military does anything or Air Force one is in the air, TFRs (temporary flight restrictions) are issued.
A TFR has to be issued for military jets operating low and outside of training lanes. (there are a ton of training lanes in Florida and out west) They are not called training lanes, the name escapes me.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:56 pm to Napoleon
Google "F-16 Greenville, SC June 29"
There's a foxcarolina.com article that talks about last week's incident and has comments from ATC at GSP that are contrary to your TFR comments.
There's a foxcarolina.com article that talks about last week's incident and has comments from ATC at GSP that are contrary to your TFR comments.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:59 pm to Napoleon
Cessna 150
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:59 pm to Napoleon
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They are not called training lanes, the name escapes me.
MOA, Military Operations Airspace. And it's not restricted, VFR pilots can legally fly into them and the military is required to avoid that traffic. Restricted airspace is obviously restricted unless the FAA says you can fly through it. Restricted airspace is normally over live fire ranges or missile testing.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:00 pm to White Roach
Bingo, it's doubtful that they were doing terrain hugging flying.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:02 pm to White Roach
[quote]Tower operators at Greenville Spartanburg International Airport also observed the jets on radar but did not know why the jets were flying in the area.
GSP tower operators said fighter jets sometimes fly the area on unannounced training missions.
Read more: LINK ]
well if at that alltitude, and with no TFR. I would put equal blame on the pilot and her commanding officer.
That's what the open water is for. Stupid to fly like that in civilian areas with population.
GSP tower operators said fighter jets sometimes fly the area on unannounced training missions.
Read more: LINK ]
well if at that alltitude, and with no TFR. I would put equal blame on the pilot and her commanding officer.
That's what the open water is for. Stupid to fly like that in civilian areas with population.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:02 pm to cubsfan5150
Why is it doubtful? It was happening last week over Greenville. Why not this week over Charleston?
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:03 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
MOA, that's it. I remember that from flying to Destin. You fly through a ton of military stuff flying there.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:03 pm to Napoleon
Thanks for the link. I couldn't make it happen.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:04 pm to GeeOH
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If this happened 100 ft above ground, it is absolutely the F16's fault unless it was in final approach or takeoff.
There is zero reason for that low of a position by the jet.
agree, assuming this is civilian air space and it sounds like it was, most of the culpability is on the jet pilot flying that low.
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Maybe he was "buzzing" some friends. This doesn't look good
more reasons military cutbacks need to happen and more common sense/reasoning applied by those remaining in charge.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:05 pm to Napoleon
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MOA, that's it. I remember that from flying to Destin. You fly through a ton of military stuff flying there.
Yeah. They have a corridor or open airspace that pretty much follows I-10 through Florida. That is one MOA that I would never recommend flying into without checking to see if it's active first. It's extremely busy over there.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:05 pm to Napoleon
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MOA, that's it. I remember that from flying to Destin. You fly through a ton of military stuff flying there.
unless you mean fling "around it" then it's not really military air space.
the NAS at Pensecola right there by Destin, is certainly some restricted space.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:06 pm to jbgleason
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a local guy had just gotten his wings and did a fly over of his parent's house.
in the 70's my SO's brother got his wings in the USAF. his dad ran the bussy brake boat dock, so he decided to give dad a thrill while on a practice run in a t38(? jet) trainer. When he got near Bussy, he turned off his transpoder, dropped down to tree top level, did a high speed run over the lake and the dock, then popped back up to altitude up and turned his transponder back on. everybody knew who did it, but nobody tried to prove it. he then landed in Monroe and visited family.
i think the local FAA told him to check his radio and never do that again.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:06 pm to White Roach
I believe that the Greeneville area is rather hilly, I would guess that the area right outside Charleston isn't.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:09 pm to cubsfan5150
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I believe that the Greeneville area is rather hilly, I would guess that the area right outside Charleston isn't.
Correct.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:09 pm to cubsfan5150
correct Charleston is flat. the crash area is only a few miles from the air force base here if that helps
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