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re: Mid air collision in SC: Cessna and F-16 **2 on Cessna Killed**
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:10 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:10 pm to Napoleon
They are called VR routes. We have two in the BTR airspace, one crosses I-12 near Walker and the other is up near Amite - Kentwood area. They are very low level VFR training routes. Most of the aircraft that use them in our area are BE40'S(military trainer version).
I am not implying the F16 was on a VR route.
I am not implying the F16 was on a VR route.
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:14 pm to #1TigerFan
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Unless of course the Cessna was flying at the wrong altitude for the direction of flight.
Are you talking about flying VFR odd + 500 East / Even +500 West? If I remember correctly, that's only > 3500 ft ...
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Cessnas are pretty forgiving. You can crash really soft in those things.
Good ole Zero-Three-Uniform
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:16 pm to #1TigerFan
I was thinking MOA. It's open airspace, but can have heavy military activity.
I was doing my second Xcountry and had a Jet come fly on side of me to where I could see him, near Biloxi, and then he waved at me and then climbed away so fast I couldn't see where he went.
So other than TCAS they can't see civilian planes on a radar? Because I know not all planes fly with transponders on, especially if they are in mostly G and E airspace anyway.
I learned to fly at KNEW and Being in KMSY's veil we had to have a Mode C on at all times.
I was doing my second Xcountry and had a Jet come fly on side of me to where I could see him, near Biloxi, and then he waved at me and then climbed away so fast I couldn't see where he went.
So other than TCAS they can't see civilian planes on a radar? Because I know not all planes fly with transponders on, especially if they are in mostly G and E airspace anyway.
I learned to fly at KNEW and Being in KMSY's veil we had to have a Mode C on at all times.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:17 pm to WaveForLSU
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Are you talking about flying VFR odd + 500 East / Even +500 West? If I remember correctly, that's only > 3500 ft ...
Correct. anything under 3500 is open and free.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:23 pm to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:24 pm to Napoleon
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So other than TCAS they can't see civilian planes on a radar? Because I know not all planes fly with transponders on, especially if they are in mostly G and E airspace anyway.
Fighter jets obviously have Air to Air radar, but you actually have to turn it on and look for other jets. It's not nearly as simple as it looks in the movies.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:26 pm to Napoleon
That entire region falls within R-6002 with Gamecock MOA being active almost constantly. High density Mil traffic.
havnt been thru there in a while, I believe restrictions were from SFC-130AGL.
havnt been thru there in a while, I believe restrictions were from SFC-130AGL.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:26 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
poor ole Betty. 
That was fricking amazing.
LINK
That was fricking amazing.
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The woman who lives in a Baton Rouge home where a small plane crashed into the backyard Wednesday morning, has been arrested on drug charges. Police say they found five marijuana plants growing in the woman's yard, about 15 feet from where the plane went down. 53-year-old Betty McManus was arrested on charges of cultivation of marijuana, Baton Rouge police said. Before her arrest, McManus told WAFB 9NEWS, she couldn't believe the news when someone called to tell her about the crash. "I thought it was a joke," McManus said. "It was a shock."
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:27 pm to meauxjeaux2
I was on that road yesterday, there were several low passes by F-16s from Shaw AFB flying yesterday. Tragic.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:29 pm to meauxjeaux2
Tango Uniform, ?
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:50 pm to Jagd Tiger
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Tango Uniform, ?
Pilot ejected. C150 went for a swim.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:54 pm to yellowfin
Am I the only one amazed at the lack of damage to the camper in this pic? If someone was inside they are some type of lucky.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:55 pm to Bamadiver
Agreed.
It must've gently rolled up against that trailer.
It must've gently rolled up against that trailer.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:59 pm to VetteGuy
The trailer on the right probably has a hole in one side and out the other!
But seriously, you'd think just weight of that engine would bow in the side of that camper.
But seriously, you'd think just weight of that engine would bow in the side of that camper.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:59 pm to VetteGuy
quote:EXTREMELY gentle. No scratches on either side and no dents. Amazing.
Agreed. It must've gently rolled up against that trailer.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 3:13 pm to meauxjeaux2
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how airborne radar was not in use for the F16 pilot in this incident is mind boggling. The Cessna pilot had noting at all instrument wise like the F16 pilot has at his fingertips.
The radar in the F16 is forward looking with a scan cone of about 120 degrees, hypothetically the Cessna could have been on the same course direction as the F16, and the F16 did a tight turn into the path of the Cessna never seeing him visually or on radar. Mid airs rarely occur with the planes on a head on path, the planes are usually flying headings that end up converging on the same point due to one of the planes changing altitude or making a sudden course change.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 3:30 pm to EA6B
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BREAKING: NTSB: 2 aboard small plane killed when it collided with F-16 fighter jet over South Carolina.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 3:39 pm to sicboy
Damn
Posted on 7/7/15 at 3:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Knew it was coming, but still sad.
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