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Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:39 am to Bama and Beer
He's probably Infantry or Combat Arms. They don't realize, or are just too stupid to know, that somewhere near 60-70% of Active Duty Army are Service Support. And that there is life after the military and you're gonna do much better in the real world if you do a marketable skill while you're in. There isn't much need for Infantry out here. Medical related jobs and the such are much more useful.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 8:47 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
You are supporting to others who didn't serve in combat?
Be proud, but don't fall victim to unhealthy pride. So you really do look down on most of the human race?
Be proud, but don't fall victim to unhealthy pride. So you really do look down on most of the human race?
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:25 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
That's just my PSA.
Veterans that have seen combat action, with things exploding and people getting wounded, will always be our most honored Veterans.
The others on the list put their names on the dotted line and were just lucky that they didn't have to go through what you went through. They are still Veterans.
BUT, everybody agrees that the Combat Veteran is the most honored Veteran.
Let me ask you a question, because you seem to really want to rank Veterans: should we rank the Combat Vets? Because not all Combat Vets went through really heavy action.
Would you rank a Combat Vet that only heard an enemy mortar round explode outside his quarters on the same level as a Combat Vet who fought at Hamburger Hill or Fallujah? There's no real answer to this question, but, it does illustrate the issues and complexities that arise once we start ranking our Veterans.
To me, the Veterans that died in combat action are our most honored, and, that's why we celebrate this weekend: to celebrate their courage and remember that we lost many of the best of us all.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:28 am to Redbone
quote:
I did as I was told. The details will remain privy to myself. 2 years later they let me come home.
was your discharge honorable?
If not then No.
If yes and you didn't see combat then also no.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:28 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Loolll. Next post OP will claim he's a CAG operator.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:30 am to carhartt
quote:
He's probably Infantry or Combat Arms. They don't realize, or are just too stupid to know, that somewhere near 60-70% of Active Duty Army are Service Support. And that there is life after the military and you're gonna do much better in the real world if you do a marketable skill while you're in. There isn't much need for Infantry out here. Medical related jobs and the such are much more useful.
Seems like the "grunts" are more jealous they didn't get a better MOS than anything else.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:32 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Being a military officer was once a crowning achievement civilians respected. Vietnam ended that.
The Officer Corps of the US Army and probably also the Marine Corps in many ways indeed did let down the enlisted ground combat personnel in Vietnam. That was due to ignorance, not evil.
The Army did a great job of working to fix that problem.
You are wrong about civilians not respecting the Officer Corps. Even LT Calley was highly respected, even after his conviction for the My Lai Massacre ! Calley received leniency on his sentence largely due to heavy public outcry to grant such leniency !
Now, you can certainly say that COMBAT ENLISTED military personnel lost faith in the Officer Corps during and after Vietnam. That's probably the truth.
But, I hasten to add that this faith has been somewhat restored because the Officer Corps made fixes and improved itself.
You are a young combat vet, at only 27 years old. I encourage you to stay in the service and get your active duty retirement. The military service and you would both benefit.
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 9:35 am
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:33 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:To be so opinionated, you've been awfully quiet. If your TD handle is accurate, I'm ashamed we share the same commissioning source.
OleWarSkuleAlum
And dropping the names of two KIAs you served with doesn't legitimize your point. It completely fails to honor their sacrifice. The Ole War Skule should have taught you way better than that.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:35 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:As a member of Group 3 from 1983-1988, I respect you for your voluntary service. However, I have contempt for you because of your lack of respect for others who volunteered, but were not required to serve under conditions and circumstances similar to yours. They did what the leaders of the military required them to do to best accomplish the missions of the units they were assigned to. Your attitude toward those you serve are not in keeping with the finest traditions of citizen soldiers.
Being a military officer was once a crowning achievement civilians respected.
For the record, Dwight Eisenhower is not a veteran by your standards. Eisenhower never saw actual combat.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:37 am to Poodlebrain
Poodlebrain, have a meaningful and pleasant Memorial Day Weekend.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:48 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
I was a Military Working Dog Handler for 6 years and I served in Iraq and Afghanistan. The younger/dumber me thought if you weren't outside the wire everyday, you were worthless. Matured/ more experienced me realized there is a bigger picture to our military. We can't fight without eating, medical attention, supplies and its damn sure nice to get paid. We all worked to achieve the mission and spent time away from our families. Seeing combat may give us a bigger sense of pride, but it doesn't lessen the roles the support guys played in helping us get through it. 
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/24/15 at 10:12 am to K9BAMF
Please stop feeding this troll, he made this pile of shite thread and has not step foot back in it.
Please don't let it get any more than the 5 pages it already is.
Please don't let it get any more than the 5 pages it already is.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 10:48 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
As a category 1 person myself, your post is exactly why I got out. Our officer corps has become littered with moronic and entitled fools. Seeing combat does not make you superior. One of my best buddies was a recon Marine who went marsoc. He did a pump in Afghanistan and never saw a lick of action. I would most certainly call him a veteran. The chips just didn't fall in a way that allowed him to fire his weapon. "Veteran" is not an ambiguous term: it means someone who served in the armed forces, PERIOD. I like the admin guys, especially when they made sure I got paid. Without them, I wouldn't have gotten paid. Without the supply guys, I wouldn't have had my plate carrier. That thing didn't just magically appear. Everyone serves a role.
I find my fellow veterans sense of entitlement to be the thing weakening this country. The act of service no longer applies. Vets now seek recognition for their accomplishments, rather than being silent professionals. I enlisted to serve. I got out, took my GI Bill and went to LSU and now Columbia Law. That's all the thanks I need from the American people or the VA for that matter.
Your GUN 23 guy was a POG. If he died from mechanical failure, would that make him any less of a veteran? Also, you fail to really make a clear distinction between performing combat duties in tier 1 vs. seeing combat as in tier 2. Is being a grunt and "performing" combat duties more superior than actually seeing combat?
I find my fellow veterans sense of entitlement to be the thing weakening this country. The act of service no longer applies. Vets now seek recognition for their accomplishments, rather than being silent professionals. I enlisted to serve. I got out, took my GI Bill and went to LSU and now Columbia Law. That's all the thanks I need from the American people or the VA for that matter.
Your GUN 23 guy was a POG. If he died from mechanical failure, would that make him any less of a veteran? Also, you fail to really make a clear distinction between performing combat duties in tier 1 vs. seeing combat as in tier 2. Is being a grunt and "performing" combat duties more superior than actually seeing combat?
Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:02 am to GarmischTiger
quote:
And dropping the names of two KIAs you served with doesn't legitimize your point. It completely fails to honor their sacrifice. The Ole War Skule should have taught you way better than that.
I didn't want to bring this up originally because the whole thread was just a stupid troll in the first place but that really was outright fricking sickening of him to do that.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:04 am to chongo
This thread is shameful, and I am embarrassed that you are even a part of the officer corps.
Your bull shite wouldn't last 5 minutes among the officers I served with.
Your bull shite wouldn't last 5 minutes among the officers I served with.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:05 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
you sound like a bitch
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:27 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Do I consider myself superior to other 27 year olds who never saw combat? The truthful answer is yes. I am extremely privileged to have served besides the greatest warriors in the world. Being a military officer was once a crowning achievement civilians respected. Vietnam ended that.
For fricking real?
I'm like you - in group 1, a former infantry officer.
You're not superior for having been to war. You have a different perspective on the world, but you're not any worse or better.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:31 pm to djangochained
Wow, GFY ingrate.
(Cat 1 checking in)
(Cat 1 checking in)
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:31 pm to Delirium
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Why not? People have to live with their decisions good and bad, every day. If you decide to get behind the wheel while intoxicated, you've made a very reckless decision that is not in keeping with the military. Furthermore, you willfully put innocent lives at risk.
Bottom line: being a veteran isn't something you do once and then leave without responsibility. There is a responsibility to maintain a certain standard of conduct. Getting a DUI is absolutely outside of that standard of conduct.
My platoon sergeant had a DUI (on a motorcycle).
He also had a Silver Star and a Bronze Star with Valor and 52 months in theater. I'd love to hear you tell him he's not a veteran.
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