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re: Judge orders Iberville to stop deployment of AquaDams along Manchac Road
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:45 am to X123F45
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:45 am to X123F45
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They damned it up up so they could have pretty green grass instead of a ditch.
Just like people in Spanish Lake who dammed it up to make a pretty development...
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Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:45 am to X123F45
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I'd say cry about it... But that moisture would just add to your dilemma.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:47 am to CarRamrod
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you do know you are saying what someone did against you is bad yet Iberville doing the same thing is good right?
It seems getting that point across is going to be a useless endeavor. He's bitching about the very thing he's applauding his uncle Mitch for doing
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:52 am to upgrayedd
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It seems getting that point across is going to be a useless endeavor. He's bitching about the very thing he's applauding his uncle Mitch for doing
Cute. But not quite.
They made our water solely my problem.
I will am willing to handle my share. No more.
There is a difference.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:56 am to X123F45
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Ascension chose to ruin the natural drainage and spillways. Iberville has now chosen to not pick up their slack.
Ascension can fix their issues or enjoy being wet.
My neighbors can fix their issues, or they can enjoy being wet.
In all of these examples, regional cooperation is required. Parishes should not be unilaterally deciding on and executing their own myopic plans without regional cooperation. And there's definitely no way anyone should be able to block off a floodway or a swamp and risk flooding thousands of people uphill without regional approval under any circumstance.
The reason he's doing this is to protect homes that never should have been built there in the first place. Because his parish has even fewer development controls or zoning enforcement than Ascension or East Baton Rouge. I think even Livingston might be more logical about this, and they get more things wrong than right.
We expect Broome to be a complete dumbass, but Ourso should be more open to regional cooperation for this and other infrastructure projects. Maybe even be a leader that can help drive the capital area infrastructure planning.
Especially since any meaningful large project is going to require state and federal funding to complete.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:57 am to X123F45
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They made our water solely my problem.
I will am willing to handle my share. No more.
Sounds like your neighbors with the undersized culverts took your advice to heart. They want to keep your runoff on your side of the fence. Not theirs.
Sort of like what your cousin is doing with these temporary flood barriers despite the court ruling.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:59 am to upgrayedd
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Just like people in Spanish Lake who dammed it up to make a pretty development
The areas that Iberville is trying to protect aren't in Spanish Lake. They're homes and industrial facilities that are 2-4 miles away from Spanish Lake.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:02 pm to goofball
These neighborhoods built on low lying land that raise the ground up with dirt dug from a retention pond will create more problems down the road. Yes, the pond must handle the displaced water, but there is no law that says the retention ponds must be maintained. Overtime they will lose some of their capacity as sediment, grass clippings etc fall into it.
Without a requirement to inspect and dig out/ dredge as needed to maintain original capacity , it will create future watershed/ flooding.
Without a requirement to inspect and dig out/ dredge as needed to maintain original capacity , it will create future watershed/ flooding.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:03 pm to upgrayedd
Yes and I agree with what someone said earlier that Ascension built Spanish Lake Primary there as well as allowing all of that new development west of Bluff Road.
If I remember correctly, there was a good bit of opposition to AP closing the locks at Bayou Manchac and draining Alligator Bayou where there was a boat launch and swamp tours. There reason for draining that area was solely to allow development west of Bluff Road. I have a much bigger problem with the decisions AP made to steal the land that provided natural drainage for several parishes, including EBR and Iberville.
The Iberville Parish President is trying to protect his constituents whose families have lived there for hundreds of years and did not flood until AP drained and blocked off Alligator Bayou. AP was allowed to do that when everyone knew that there would be consequences for the region as a whole.
If I remember correctly, there was a good bit of opposition to AP closing the locks at Bayou Manchac and draining Alligator Bayou where there was a boat launch and swamp tours. There reason for draining that area was solely to allow development west of Bluff Road. I have a much bigger problem with the decisions AP made to steal the land that provided natural drainage for several parishes, including EBR and Iberville.
The Iberville Parish President is trying to protect his constituents whose families have lived there for hundreds of years and did not flood until AP drained and blocked off Alligator Bayou. AP was allowed to do that when everyone knew that there would be consequences for the region as a whole.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:05 pm to dewster
How about the fact that nearly all of ascension and most of south EBR is naturally bottomland hardwoods and by nature a floodplain..... homes should have never been built where they are today without MAJOR upgrades to drainage systems. I support his decision to do this because EBR has built up their side of manchac since 2016. So naturally water is going to find its way to Iberville parish.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:09 pm to goofball
Fix Manchac and you don’t need that water shed. Instead you’ve got Manchac as a protected waterway that can’t be dredged. That’s your problem. F!$k EBR.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:09 pm to tigers win2
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These neighborhoods built on low lying land that raise the ground up with dirt dug from a retention pond will create more problems down the road. Yes, the pond must handle the displaced water, but there is now law that says the retention ponds must be maintained. Overtime they will lose some of their capacity as sediment, grass clippings etc fall into it.
Yep. But that's the only way to minimize additional runoff caused by the new structures in the area. In flash flooding events, the retention ponds fill up and retain the runoff before releasing it into the drainage system.
In a long enough weather event, the ponds will fill up and it will flow into the watershed anyway. At that point it's just like the many older neighborhoods that pushes runoff directly into the public drainage system without any retention pond.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:13 pm to LSUBanker
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In the future, how about reconnecting bayou manchac back to the Ms River and install some gates to prevent flooding when the Ms River is high?
The Mississippi River flowed INTO Bayou Manchac when they were connected so that wouldn’t do anything for the flooding.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:13 pm to TulaneUVA
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ver time, these ponds, etc will accumulate silt and reduce capacity.
Capacity is only lost once normal low water level starts exposing dirt. Otherwise, buffer capacity will always be (flood level-low water level)x area, no matter how deep the pond is.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:16 pm to BarryMcCokner
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How about the fact that nearly all of ascension and most of south EBR is naturally bottomland hardwoods and by nature a floodplain.
As opposed to an actual swamp that people decided to build their homes in? Because that's who Iberville is trying to protect by flooding their uphill neighbors.
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I support his decision to do this because EBR has built up their side of manchac since 2016. So naturally water is going to find its way to Iberville parish.
The Spanish Lake basin flooded in 2016 and protected thousands of homes for inundation in the process. In fact, it was a natural floodway for a century. Water naturally flows that way when Bayou Manchac gets overwhelmed like it is now or when it started to black flow like it did in 2016.
Houses should not be built in that floodway period. If anything, pump stations need to be installed to move floodwater out of the swamp and into the Mississippi River to keep homes and businesses in Iberville and Ascension adjacent to the swamp from flooding. Maybe turn the pumps on ahead of times when these storms are predicted to give the floodway additional capacity to store water during these kinds of events.
Dredging Bayou Manchac would help, especially if they can widen and dredge the Amite channel as well. There is federal funding to help with the Amite, but it's just taking forever to execute as most things do with ACE. Not sure what the plan is with Manchac, which I'm sure has had many downed trees and sediment build up in the past storm seasons.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:19 pm to The Boat
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The Mississippi River flowed INTO Bayou Manchac when they were connected so that wouldn’t do anything for the flooding.
A manmade canal and pump station would move it back over the levee though and solve a lot of this for everyone. But it will only mitigate it for people that choose to live in the swamp...but they made stupid decisions anyway. A project like that would would help protect homes and businesses in all three parishes that are adjacent to the Spanish Lake Basin.
But that's a big project with a big price tag. And we don't do regional cooperation or planning here, thus have no chance of getting state or federal funding to accomplish anything major like that. We just act like shitty neighbors and set up dams instead.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:20 pm to X123F45
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There is a difference
Nah, you just don't want to admit it's the same thing on a smaller scale. It's ok, though, we know you don't see it as evidenced throughout this thread.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:20 pm to goofball
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Sort of like what your cousin is doing with these temporary flood barriers despite the court ruling.
You couldn't be farther from the truth if you tried.
Not only is there no blood, I'd say there is bad blood
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:23 pm to X123F45
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You couldn't be farther from the truth if you tried.
Not only is there no blood, I'd say there is bad blood
Well vote against him and maybe we can get some real solutions to our region's drainage and traffic problems instead if endless parochialism.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:31 pm to dewster
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A tiny fraction of the $225 million in projects underway in EBR.
Most of these have been underway for 40 years
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