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re: Judge orders Iberville to stop deployment of AquaDams along Manchac Road
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:55 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:55 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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It's the homes built 5 years ago in BR that are affecting the homes built 50 years ago.
It’s the dam installed to protect the people in a swap that’s risking thousands of homes regardless of their age.
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Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:56 am to goofball
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In this case there is a bowl that has been a natural floodway and swamp forever. Water isn’t being allowed to drain into it.
If you zoom out most areas of this state become a bowl relative to the areas around it.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:57 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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It's the homes built 5 years ago in BR that are affecting the homes built 50 years ago.
Yep
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:57 am to CarRamrod
Reasonable people are saying that but it's hard to tell with some posts. Without going back and digging through it all, the theme I am reading from some is "tear down the damn dam and those who built in that area need to deal with it".
That's extremely one sided. There needs to be acknowledgement that both sides share the burden. It's the phases of grief/addition: first accept that there is a problem.
That's extremely one sided. There needs to be acknowledgement that both sides share the burden. It's the phases of grief/addition: first accept that there is a problem.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:58 am to goofball
I live in EBR upstream of this and don’t have a prob with them using the damns. No reason they have to take the impact of EBR reckless development.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:59 am to goofball
Just ride by those portable AquaDames with this:
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:59 am to TulaneUVA
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Someone posted an idea the other idea of installing massive pumps to pick it up off the swamp and throw it over to the MS river. This is not that hard.
Would help and potentially open new areas up for development safely. Unfortunately they’ll probably dam that off too.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:59 am to goofball
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Iberville is prime real estate for industrial development on the river.
Yet you want him to recklessly not protect his parish? Nothing says bring us your industry like flooding does.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:59 am to tigers win2
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No reason they have to take the impact of EBR reckless development.
One could argue that building in Spanish Lake is reckless development and is holding an entire natural watershed hostage
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:01 am to upgrayedd
im not dont do drainage design but in school i learned that most design standards state any civil work done on a site has to have the same amount of runoff as it did prior to any development. Hence big catch basins on the corner of parking lots, big culverts under streets in neighborhoods, and (the new trends) big lakes in neighborhoods.
While i can totally see EBR not denying permits because this isnt being done, as they have done with traffic (you are supposed to require any new development, build add to the infrastructure to support that development), But at the new EBR neighborhoods being build and blamed for this a little bit of an over exaggeration?
While i can totally see EBR not denying permits because this isnt being done, as they have done with traffic (you are supposed to require any new development, build add to the infrastructure to support that development), But at the new EBR neighborhoods being build and blamed for this a little bit of an over exaggeration?
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:02 am to dewster
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The other is that they installed a temporary barrier to flood their uphill neighbors.
This isn't true. The dam was installed because the lake is already at full capacity and they want to be able to control the levels. Without the dam the road runs a risk of washing out and all control lost. Chinhooks and Black hawks flying super-sack sand bags for a week like in 2016.
They plan to being pumping the water out Monday, if today's weather doesn't change that plan. This "Dam" (Alligator Bayou Rd) has been in place for nearly 100 years....
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:02 am to upgrayedd
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One could argue that building in Spanish Lake is reckless development and is holding an entire natural watershed hostage
Not really an argument. It's a fact. It's far more reckless than developing an area uphill from a swamp.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:02 am to CarRamrod
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someone raising their house made 80 acres underwater? GTFO.
Some filling a 30ft wide 2ft ditch and thinking a culvert would serve the same purpose did.
Nice reading comprehension though. I said aesthetics.
As for the other retorts by scared ascension parish residents, your parish has allowed the digging of ponds and building up lands in the natural spillways. You have built homes in the same bowls as those the other poster seeks to criticize.
But now that your bowl can't hold water... You want your neighbors to share the burden.
I disagree with that.
You've made your bed. Lie in it... Or float?
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:03 am to X123F45
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Some filling a 30ft wide 2ft ditch and thinking a culvert would serve the same purpose did.
Which parish governs the culvert size? Because they seem to be the irresponsible ones.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:04 am to CarRamrod
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any civil work done on a site has to have the same amount of runoff as it did prior to any development.
quote:
While i can totally see EBR not denying permits because this isnt being done
EBR and Ascension are doing this, but only in the last 10 years or so.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:05 am to Adam Banks
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Yet you want him to recklessly not protect his parish? Nothing says bring us your industry like flooding does.
You ignoring the whole rest of the post? It's in plain text. You don't need to invent your own context to debate.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:06 am to CarRamrod
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im not in this field but in school i learned that most design standards state any civil work done on a site has to have the same amount of runoff as it did prior to any development. Hence big catch basins on the corner of parking lots, big culverts under streets in neighborhoods, and (the new trends) big lakes in neighborhoods.
While i can totally see EBR not denying permits because this isnt being done, as they have done with traffic (you are supposed to require any new development, build add to the infrastructure to support that development), But at the new EBR neighborhoods being build and blamed for this a little bit of an over exaggeration?
I wish I could find the poster who shared some details on this.
Apparently the standards for water shedding and rain management are a little 'loosey goosey' in terms of what % of rain scenarios you have to be able to contain. So when you have these 500 and 1000 year type of events, these design requirements won't hold. The run off will go downstream.
Additionally, it assumes there is basic upkeep. Over time, these ponds, etc will accumulate silt and reduce capacity. It's extremely expensive to dredge and keep up with and enforcement is done by who? I'll bet $100 that there's a gap in maintenance.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:06 am to CarRamrod
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im not in this field but in school i learned that most design standards state any civil work done on a site has to have the same amount of runoff as it did prior to any development. Hence big catch basins on the corner of parking lots, big culverts under streets in neighborhoods, and (the new trends) big lakes in neighborhoods.
While i can totally see EBR not denying permits because this isnt being done, as they have done with traffic (you are supposed to require any new development, build add to the infrastructure to support that development), But at the new EBR neighborhoods being build and blamed for this a little bit of an over exaggeration?
Storm water retention ponds are some of the biggest scams of the last 20 years.
During normal periods, they stay a minimum of 3/4 full and all the drainage from the development is piped into them. All the lots are turtlebacked to drain into those stormwater ponds that don't have much capacity before the outfall. Most of the rain water doesn't stay onsite but is essentially moved through a pipeline into the receiving outfall body of water. If they were really that effective, we wouldn't see the problems we see now.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:07 am to goofball
Or as the Wafb reporter said. Mancock bayou
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:08 am to goofball
quote:I bet it has been happening for a lot longer than 20 years. but that still proves these idiots saying houses build 5 years ago are effecting the floodplain.
EBR and Ascension are doing this, but only in the last 10 years or so.
quote:oohh absolutely over the course of 8 years i watched a lake go form a clean 5-8 feet to max 3' with 2-3' of suspended organics. people dont like it but the cheapest option is rapid drawdown to get oxygen to those organics to decay.
Additionally, it assumes there is basic upkeep. Over time, these ponds, etc will accumulate silt and reduce capacity. It's extremely expensive to dredge and keep up with and enforcement is done by who? I'll bet $100 that there's a gap in maintenance.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:12 am
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