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re: Judge gives guy 50 years no parole for drug charge
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:46 pm to Bleeding purple
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:46 pm to Bleeding purple
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His assertion that the only person harmed by heroin use is the user is just plain stupid
I fail to understand how someone shooting up has anything at all to do with your quality of life. Maybe because you think he's going to steal your lawnboy and pawn it for some dope?
You have contributed nothing outside of your own personal rhetoric.
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he was on probation for agg assault w firearm it's not like he committed another violent crime
Why wait to lock his dumb arse up?
I'll bet you $50 he has other convictions.
Maybe the judge went hard here, but wouldn't you agree with my earlier points regarding judges and sentencing?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They just made it legal OTC here
Not sure how easy it is here in BR but I know some young insane heroin junkies who always have it on hand when shooting up. That boggles my brain.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:47 pm to Barf
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Proof? Link? Anything? Do you even know what Vicodin is or are you just parroting something you heard at church?
Reading your posts, I'm sort of on your side??? Are you one vicodin?
I'm trying to point out how trying to regulate Vicodin has consequences. Heroin use goes up because people taking pills have to move to something else. Vicodin, which was once a $4 prescription or less and had street value, has its street value skyrocket. Hence it is now worth trying to rob pharmacies.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:47 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Overdoses are simple. Narcan... Done
far from it.
narcan -stabilized the vitals and reversed the agent
depending on time down though, multiple organ systems can be affected and aspiration pneumonia is common. Tack on an ICU stay for further stabilization and psych eval and placement if needed and you are looking at several thousand plus hospital bill that will be passed on to all taxpayers. (p.s. the user aint paying taxes)
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Trust all EMS crews to be forensics experts and not transport OD's. What about a non overdose? First sketchy looking guy with a blood sugar issue who is left to die, and you have a dumpster fire.
I agree, there is a catch. Maybe draw the line at "Sir, at 26 years old it appears you are having a heart attack and it is related to the meth and cocaine that was found in your system. We recommend you discontinue using those drugs. have a nice day." instead of admitting them at taxpayer expense
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:47 pm to VetteGuy
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Why wait to lock his dumb arse up?
i said even if you want to revoke him for the possession, it's 10 years max (he probably was backing up less)
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but wouldn't you agree with my earlier points regarding judges and sentencing?
every judge is different
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:50 pm to Bleeding purple
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If it is a personal choice then amend EMTLA to exclude medical issues related to drug use. Stop transporting those OD's to the hospital.
If it is none of my business then keep your generous hearts (greedy hands) off of my wallet to pay for these fricking idiot's care. Stop providing welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and other entitlement programs to those that CHOOSE a life of addiction and waste.
Your point is invalid. You're arguing about the costs of treating people who OD as though nobody who abuses drugs has health insurance. Hypothetically even if they didn't have health insurance and landed in the hospital due to their poor decision making skills, how are drug addicts any different than people who suffer from heart attacks due to obesity that end up in the ER. Both individuals willingly neglecd their health. The only difference is it's not illegal to stuff your face into an early grave. Heart disease kills people at a far more alarming rate than drugs, but the government isn't regulating/criminalizing fast food consumption.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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every judge is different
My experience is limited, but in almost every case I've seen where the defendant has adequate representation, they aren't going to jail for possession, especially for small amounts.
Further, even if it is a large amount, FTO's are gonna get probation.
This guy had a record, was on probation, and was selling a drug that is (lately) killing people.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 5:59 pm to VetteGuy
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My experience is limited, but in almost every case I've seen where the defendant has adequate representation, they aren't going to jail for possession, especially for small amounts.
first offense? sure.
second offense? likely
third offense? they're up shite creek most likely. you can only get so many felonies before you lose probation eligibility
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and was selling a drug that is (lately) killing people.
i don't want to put hershey chocolate in jail, either
just so we're clear
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:02 pm to VetteGuy
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My experience is limited, but in almost every case I've seen where the defendant has adequate representation, they aren't going to jail for possession, especially for small amounts.
Adequate representation can mean a lot of things, but it shouldn't impact the sentencing. You shouldn't get less time because you can afford a better lawyer. It's kind of messed up when you think about a poor kid getting jammed up for possession with intent.
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was selling a drug that is (lately) killing people.
We aren't locking up bar tenders, are we? What causes more damage, the hand full of people who OD on a cocktail of godknowswhat or penny pitcher night at your closest college bar?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:04 pm to Maverick01
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You're arguing about the costs of treating people who OD as though nobody who abuses drugs has health insurance.
Feel free to research the data yourself but as someone on the front lines of this situation, I can assure you that overwhelming majority do not have any form of insurance and those that do have state or federally funded insurance. (as it pertains to habitual use of non MJ drugs)
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how are drug addicts any different than people who suffer from heart attacks due to obesity that end up in the ER. Both individuals willingly neglected their health. The only difference is it's not illegal to stuff your face into an early grave. Heart disease kills people at a far more alarming rate than drugs, but the government isn't regulating/criminalizing fast food consumption.
Although I agree tax payers should not be paying for the disproportionate medical consequences of obesity, tobacco abuse, or alcohol abuse, there is are several glaring differences with illicit drugs vs food.
You need food and you don't need to get high. Although death totals attributable to obesity are much higher, the age of death and serious health consequences is much earlier and occurs in a much shorter time span with the use of "hard drugs" for lack of a better term.
The rates of social functionality, and community value/productivity of the individual is also vastly different for those that abuse "hard drugs" vs simply eat an extra 1500 cal a day.
I acknowledge that there are exceptions at the extremes of both neglectful habits, but to pretend you are comparing apples to apples is not wise.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i said even if you want to revoke him for the possession, it's 10 years max (he probably was backing up less)
And, as he said he understood when he pled, he would be multiple billed on any subsequent felony, meaning he faces half the max to double the max on the new charge, flat.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:06 pm to tLSU
that's a totally different set of bullshite
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:08 pm to slackster
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If people were OD'n on legalized and regulated heroin this guy would be sued out of his mind in civil court instead of doing time, but there would still be repercussions.
He can be sued. Why would you think he couldn't be, even before his charges and conviction?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
No it isn't. How many breaks do you get? Do we need to keep telling adults "stop breaking the law, we're serious!" over and over?
Personal responsibility is a bitch.
Personal responsibility is a bitch.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:08 pm to jbgleason
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Well it was PWITD Heroin and, if you read the article, this is in reaction to the escalating OD rate in Baton Rouge. Basically they are saying that heroin isn't pot and you are going to prison for dealing something that is killing people regularly.
Liquor and tobacco kill people regularly.
Heroin is bad, but IMHO Suboxone and Methadone is worse (not in effects, but in long term habit forming and nations that use Heroin prescriptions to ween people off of heroin have very low overdose rates) Most ODs are from improperly produced heroin and using too much.
Not saying its safe but sending people to prison where heroin is all over is not the answer. These people are addicts and addicts need treatment and anyone who thinks said treatment should be total loss of freedom is surely not a Christian and is hardly a human.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:09 pm to tLSU
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No it isn't.
oh yes it is. i'm not getting into multiple offender billing and how that is utter horseshite
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How many breaks do you get?
each crime should stand on its own merits
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Do we need to keep telling adults "stop breaking the law, we're serious!" over and over?
well the point is that pos of CDS shouldn't be a behavior that "breaks the law". that's the overall point
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Personal responsibility is a bitch.
an overbearing state that hates liberty is a bitch
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:11 pm to boddagetta
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You guys are fricking retarded & need to move to Portugal.
The most retard person in the comments is you because instead of actually looking into the facts of the drugs, you think in terms of the Nancy Reagan principle and do not take the time to see the big picture, and rather than even debate you call names.
Lol.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:12 pm to Napoleon
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These people are addicts and addicts need treatment and anyone who thinks said treatment should be total loss of freedom is surely not a Christian and is hardly a human.
i just have to ask why the bolded part was needed?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:13 pm to Napoleon
if we treated mentally ill people as such (this includes addicts), we'd save a ton of public money and create generations of more productive citizens. our system is simply gross. if more people realized how this makes life easier for those who engage in property crimes and violent crimes, they'd realize how fricked our system is.
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