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re: Honest obituary of 20 year old dying from heroin
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:52 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:52 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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i don't believe its a disease. its a weak mind that can't say no
When it reaches the point that you need to be under medical supervision to safely withdrawal off a drug it's no longer just a weak mind.
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:52 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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i don't believe its a disease. its a weak mind that can't say no
If this is the case, then about 80% of the people on this board have weak minds. All that is talked about is what and how much they are drinking. It's all fun and games until they find they cannot stop. . .
That's how it all starts.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:53 pm to Marco Esquandolas
the AMA, CDC, SAMHSA, NIDA, NIH, WHO and APA all disagree with you.
as does your insurance company, which last i checked doesn't cover character issues or weak-minded behavior.
as does your insurance company, which last i checked doesn't cover character issues or weak-minded behavior.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:55 pm to thelawnwranglers
it was such a leap of faith i can't tell you. dropping her off in AZ knowing NO ONE, going on the recommendation of a prior user/friend of my daughter. But there is only one way the people around her knew her and that was an obstacle she did not need.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:56 pm to ChenierauTigre
quote:
If this is the case, then about 80% of the people on this board have weak minds. All that is talked about is what and how much they are drinking. It's all fun and games until they find they cannot stop. . .
That's how it all starts.
well i don't participate in those discussions
i agree it turns to a physical addiction. but its not a disease.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:56 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Then what is it?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:57 pm to Paul Allen
A decision
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:57 pm to OldSouth
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You better hope and pray that your life is never affected by addiction. It is a disease that is physical, mental, and spiritual. If you don't believe that, I hope for your sake that you never come to believe it.
I can believe something is terrible without calling it a disease. I've seen what alcohol/drugs/gambling has done to families, but after having multiple family members fight and die from cancer, strokes, and other horrible diseases it's tough for me to put it in the same category. We shouldn't be considering it a crime, but helping those affected by it.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:57 pm to Paul Allen
quote:
Then what is it?
making poor decisions.
malaria is a disease.
how does someone catch addiction?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:58 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Correct, but it's based on an inherent illness.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:00 pm to SFVtiger
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was such a leap of faith i can't tell you. dropping her off in AZ knowing NO ONE, going on the recommendation of a prior user/friend of my daughter. But there is only one way the people around her knew her and that was an obstacle she did not need.
I watched a few intervention and never really thought about but going home is a big trigger.
I know I have had some shitty post, but I was being honest. You made a hard fast decesion that was right.
Did she fight it?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There has been a huge shift in demographics check or the addict. It's as likely to be a neighbor than someone in the trailer park.
I have 15-20 suboxone patients. They are medical professionals, lawyers, seafood industry, accountants, hairdressers, fast food workers, construction baws, college students, et cetera.
They are good people. Their old friends and physicians not so much.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:02 pm to Paul Allen
Your body has no desire or dependency for the chemical until you actively introduce your body to it. It may become dependent for said chemical throughout multiple uses, but prior to a person ingesting that "decision" for the first time, there is no addiction.
It is a choice to introduce your body to a foreign substance, thus creating the opportunity for an addiction to occur.
It is a choice to introduce your body to a foreign substance, thus creating the opportunity for an addiction to occur.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:03 pm to Marco Esquandolas
quote:I maybe would consider the underlying mental illness that leads one to embrace this stupid path of escapist self destruction the disease.
It's not a disease...
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:05 pm to Kyrie Eleison
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the AMA, CDC, SAMHSA, NIDA, NIH, WHO and APA all disagree with you.
Status was created for them to get federal monies...
This is America....don't be fooled--It's always about the money.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:05 pm to OKellsBells
quote:pics
I have 15-20 suboxone patients. They are medical professionals, lawyers, seafood industry, accountants, hairdressers, fast food workers, construction baws, college students, et cetera.
and
quote:is awfully specific
seafood industry
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:06 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Did she fight it?
actually she did not, at first. she was not living at home and after almost ODing came to us for help again. she did call a few weeks after we left her saying "Daddy this is not the place you think it is, terrible things are going on". But she also told me in a flash of honest: Daddy, i'm a drug addict. Please don't believe a word i say. so we held on. she eventually worked for the center and then after 2 1/2 years began hiking and moved near the Tetons. we visited her in AZ and Wy and now she is moving to CO. better to visit her healthy than have her home in a more dangerous place.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:06 pm to OKellsBells
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This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:06 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Lots of diseases are brought about by poor choices.
Doesn't make them less of a disease.
You are dumb
Doesn't make them less of a disease.
You are dumb
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