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re: Harrisburg police officer wrongly accuses veteran, 75, of 'stolen valor'
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:56 pm to Sal Minella
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:56 pm to Sal Minella
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So you are suggesting that an AD Marine outside the maximum/minimum height/weight standard is prohibited from wearing Dress Blues?
I've seen a few fat Marines in Class A's in my time.
No, I'm not suggesting that.
In the case of an active duty Soldier or Marine that's not in compliance with height and weight, they are supposed to be placed on a weight control program and given time to lose the weight. If they don't lose the weight, they are administratively discharged from the service.
The reason why we sometimes see overweight active duty servicemembers in uniform is because they are on a weight control program. They are given time to lose weight before they are discharged.
This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 12:00 am
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Posted on 6/5/15 at 12:05 am to Champagne
I did 25+ years...Army. I get the WCP.
Your comments throughout this thread revolve around you suggesting, perhaps unintentionally, that this man was prohibited from wearing his Blues because he didn't meet HT/WT. Well, since the USMC allows retirees to wear their uniform but doesn't have a mechanism in place to maintain their current HT/WT, I'd think that the USMC doesn't really care that a 75 year honorably discharged vet bugled at a Memorial Day wreath laying ceremony. I'd venture to the say that the Commandant and the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps would probably shake his hand.
But I'll follow your lead in saying let's agree to disagree on him wearing his Blue and agree that he was wronged by the cop and mayor.
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No, I'm not suggesting that.
Your comments throughout this thread revolve around you suggesting, perhaps unintentionally, that this man was prohibited from wearing his Blues because he didn't meet HT/WT. Well, since the USMC allows retirees to wear their uniform but doesn't have a mechanism in place to maintain their current HT/WT, I'd think that the USMC doesn't really care that a 75 year honorably discharged vet bugled at a Memorial Day wreath laying ceremony. I'd venture to the say that the Commandant and the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps would probably shake his hand.
But I'll follow your lead in saying let's agree to disagree on him wearing his Blue and agree that he was wronged by the cop and mayor.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 12:14 am to Sal Minella
Yes, I apologize for hijacking the thread away from the essential point that Mr. Ford was treated shamefully, and I will take my lumps for that.
Everybody who took the time to post in the thread wishes he were there with him on that day. I'm sure that it was a great day until the cop acted stupidly.
If you don't agree with the USMC reg, I respect that. I agree with it, because, I believe that all of the services have an interest in protecting the image of their current dress and service uniforms by taking steps to prevent or discourage ex servicemembers who no longer present a military appearance from wearing the current service or dress uniform.
Not referring to Mr. Ford here -- Veterans who are overweight, or have beards, need not wear USMC or Army Dress Blues in public, because there are plenty of other suitable outfits for such Vets to wear. There's no need to cause public confusion by presenting oneself and the uniform as a bearded, round as a beach ball, Marine or Soldier wearing current issue Dress Blues at a public event.
For those who don't agree with my opinion, I respect your opinion.
Finally, it took me some time to find the right regs and to read through them. It was not simple. I don't expect every Veteran of every age to be familiar with the regs that we found in this thread. That's why I intend to be very polite, respectful and understanding if I ever feel called to discuss this issue with a fellow Vet.
I believe in giving people some leeway and benefit of the doubt in situations like these. That's why the cop deserves to be reprimanded by his chief, not complimented.
Everybody who took the time to post in the thread wishes he were there with him on that day. I'm sure that it was a great day until the cop acted stupidly.
If you don't agree with the USMC reg, I respect that. I agree with it, because, I believe that all of the services have an interest in protecting the image of their current dress and service uniforms by taking steps to prevent or discourage ex servicemembers who no longer present a military appearance from wearing the current service or dress uniform.
Not referring to Mr. Ford here -- Veterans who are overweight, or have beards, need not wear USMC or Army Dress Blues in public, because there are plenty of other suitable outfits for such Vets to wear. There's no need to cause public confusion by presenting oneself and the uniform as a bearded, round as a beach ball, Marine or Soldier wearing current issue Dress Blues at a public event.
For those who don't agree with my opinion, I respect your opinion.
Finally, it took me some time to find the right regs and to read through them. It was not simple. I don't expect every Veteran of every age to be familiar with the regs that we found in this thread. That's why I intend to be very polite, respectful and understanding if I ever feel called to discuss this issue with a fellow Vet.
I believe in giving people some leeway and benefit of the doubt in situations like these. That's why the cop deserves to be reprimanded by his chief, not complimented.
This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 12:21 am
Posted on 6/5/15 at 12:21 am to geauxnavybeatbama
As an Army Veteran, It is infuriating to hear someone claim military service when they didn't sacrifice the blood, sweat ,and tears that it takes to become an Honorably discharged veteran. I'm not saying be an arse about it but it is sickening. Same principle of the diploma mill folks who didn't work for their degrees but claim to have a BS, Masters or whatever...I know a dude that took 2 years of correspondence courses and now calls himself a Doctor. smh
This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 1:22 am
Posted on 6/5/15 at 12:22 am to Champagne
Not sure if it's been posted but according to several other newspaper articles I found, detective O'Connor can be reached at joconnor@cityofhbg.com or 717-255-3175.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 12:22 am to Champagne
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round as a beach ball, Marine or Soldier
On a different note, why is it that HT/WT standards don't matter when a unit is deploying? And it's not just the Guard/Reserve. The fattest Soldier I saw while deployed to OEF was a 10th MTN SGM, fact.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 12:30 am to Champagne
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Finally, it took me some time to find the right regs and to read through them. It was not simple. I don't expect every Veteran of every age to be familiar with the regs that we found in this thread. That's why I intend to be very polite, respectful and understanding if I ever feel called to discuss this issue with a fellow Vet.
Honorable men can disagree. And your own services regs are hard enough to keep up with when you have to (I don't anymore). Not to mention another service's.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 5:43 am to JG77056
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Not sure if it's been posted but according to several other newspaper articles I found, detective O'Connor can be reached at joconnor@cityofhbg.com or 717-255-3175.
Anyone find the info on the soldier that was trying to play hero?
Posted on 6/5/15 at 5:56 am to stout
It's small stature big ego Marines and Army guys trumpeting this crap. You don't see USAF Airmen running around YouTube harassing 70 year old vets
Posted on 6/5/15 at 6:27 am to Macintosh504
Don't tell my school that. I want to finish my degree before they figure it out.
ETA: I know you're just a shitty troll trying to be el Guacho, but the fact that you have 20 upvotes is eye-opening.
ETA: I know you're just a shitty troll trying to be el Guacho, but the fact that you have 20 upvotes is eye-opening.
This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 6:31 am
Posted on 6/5/15 at 6:58 am to wildtigercat93
What if I wear an army t-shirt? Is that stolen valor?
This post was edited on 6/5/15 at 7:00 am
Posted on 6/5/15 at 7:06 am to stout
I hope this gets ALOT more attention...
Posted on 6/5/15 at 7:09 am to TheSwineAssault
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Same principle of the diploma mill folks who didn't work for their degrees but claim to have a BS, Masters or whatever...
Except I don't see college professors going up to people with Phoenix university degrees going "YOURE A PHONY!! STOLEN SCHOLAR!! THIS MAN IS A LIAR AND A CHEAT, TAKE OFF THOSE ELBOW PATCHES, YOU DIDNT EARN THEM"
Posted on 6/5/15 at 8:07 am to wildtigercat93
I have a friend that is a decorated veteran of the USMC. He was in some nasty stuff in Iraq. He ultimately got half an arse cheek blown off from shrapnel from an rpg that hit his buddy directly.
He came home, recouped, and got an online degree. Most of his credits were awarded for "life experience". I do not begrudge him his degree one iota.
He thinks the 75 year old vet should be honored, even if he was a POG.
He came home, recouped, and got an online degree. Most of his credits were awarded for "life experience". I do not begrudge him his degree one iota.
He thinks the 75 year old vet should be honored, even if he was a POG.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 8:10 am to stout
Some people need a swift kick to balls.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 8:12 am to Champagne
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Champagne
This discussion really isn't about uniform regulations. That's a completely different topic. This discussion is about a couple of buttheads humiliating an honorably discharged veteran for what they perceived as "stolen valor." These "stolen valor police" have become more annoying than those they claim are stealing valor.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 8:15 am to stout
Stolen valor is douchetastic, they get off on this bs
Posted on 6/5/15 at 8:49 am to stout
After reading the article about the way the incident went down, frick that police officer and the "soldier" who shook down this poor guy. frick everything about them.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:31 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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This discussion really isn't about uniform regulations. That's a completely different topic. This discussion is about a couple of buttheads humiliating an honorably discharged veteran for what they perceived as "stolen valor." These "stolen valor police" have become more annoying than those they claim are stealing valor.
Yes, I realize that. That's why I apologized for hi jacking the thread. My hi jack took focus off of the totally inappropriate police attempt to enforce some law or code about "Stolen Valor."
The police were WAY out of line. There's no indication whatsoever that Mr. Ford falsely represented his service in any way, so, only a very low IQ police officer would conclude so quickly that he was dealing with a Stolen Valor suspect.
The police officer should have been helping Mr. Ford, not harassing him.
Posted on 6/5/15 at 9:38 am to wildtigercat93
Damn straight.. But them University of Phoenix people didn't have the experience of having to go through the grueling electives of Tennis, Weightlifting or Audio visual arts when getting their degree in Engineering. 
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