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re: Harrisburg police officer wrongly accuses veteran, 75, of 'stolen valor'
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:21 pm to ManBearTiger
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:21 pm to ManBearTiger
I don't care about stolen valor. 
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:22 pm to bmy
quote:You got that right bunny
military standards are so fricking low that it's comprised primarily of losers.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:27 pm to TigerattheU
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Both Captain Moody and Detective O'Connor made reasonable inquiries based upon a citizen's complaint."
Minus the fact that they acted like children pointing and yelling at the guy. If an officer that displays physical and cognitive deficiencies while presenting with the maturity level of a child is considered reasonable, then I can't imagine what he would consider unreasonable.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:30 pm to stout
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You try too hard and make the bait too shiny
he got 10 replies and counting. As shiny as that bait was, the OT fell right for it.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:32 pm to buckeye_vol
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Both Captain Moody and Detective O'Connor made reasonable inquiries based upon a citizen's complaint."
Minus the fact that they acted like children pointing and yelling at the guy. If an officer that displays physical and cognitive deficiencies while presenting with the maturity level of a child is considered reasonable, then I can't imagine what he would consider unreasonable.
No shite. I don't have a huge problem with them initially investigating it (although the whole stolen valor thing is massively overblown). But then the fine officer starts yelling and trying to get the crowd riled up like a petulant child? Not to mention trying to provoke and instigate the guy into an altercation. Deplorable.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:34 pm to Armymann50
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You got that right bunny
Yep. Facts are facts.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:38 pm to REG861
This officer deserves to be in the pain Olympics
Posted on 6/4/15 at 8:04 pm to buckeye_vol
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Papenfuse said the Army veteran demanded that Detective John O'Connor investigate whether Ford was impersonating a Marine for profit, which is illegal.
Can you find a Pennsylvania statute? I found one for impersonating a public official, but I think they are referring to the Stolen Valor Act. It's protected speech for someone to wear a wrinkly military uniform with no medals and simply walk down the street. It probably fell outside the law even before US v. Alvarez forced the revision, but I haven't read enough of the original act that was struck down. Can an officer question him based on a suspicion of prior fraudulent behavior? Say, the officer observes the man shopping but he could have been panhandling while impersonating a Marine earlier in the day? I'm just curious about hypotheticals, the officer here wasn't going through a nuanced thought process obviously.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 8:44 pm to Champagne
Wow a shithouse lawyer to boot.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:00 pm to Motorboat
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The 75 year old veteran should have gotten a calf tattoo. Then there would be no question.
...and speak in sentences that contain at least six "F" bombs.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:10 pm to Champagne
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In my experience, it is quite unusual for a civilian discharged in 1964 to wear his Class A uniform out in public to a community function called an "Artsfest", unless he was an active participant in a Memorial Day Ceremony, such as being part of a Color Guard. It's even more unusual for a man discharged in 1964 to don the CURRENT Class A uniform for any reason whatsoever.
So are you saying it's okay or not? I'm no military vet so I have no idea.
I originally came to ask if he had his metals pinned wrong or something.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:15 pm to bulldog95
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Ford has a tradition on Memorial Day. He dons his dress blue uniform, visits the cemetery, plays "Taps" on his bugle in a wreath-laying ceremony along the Susquehanna River, then attends Artsfest, where he looks for presents for his granddaughter.
Again, it is unusual for a lone civilian to do this. If there is a Veterans group in his area that has formal Memorial Day ceremonies, he should join that group and become an active member. I'm an active member of the VFW and DAV. I would advise Mr. Ford to join us. We do proper honors on Memorial Day, but, NONE of us wear active duty uniforms during these ceremonies.
The people who wear active duty Class A uniforms during these ceremonies are the speakers who are actually on active duty and speaking at our ceremony.
Of course, I don't condone the approach of the police officer, who certainly should have been more polite.
I do appreciate and applaud Mr. Ford's sincerity, but, what he did would be tantamount to me donning my Special Operations Command insignia for my Class A uniform and walking around town on Memorial Day looking like an active duty officer assigned to Fort Bragg. It's not appropriate, and it's not necessary, unless you are simply trying to say, "Hey! Look at me !!"
When we render Honors at ceremonies, it is never about "me".
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:16 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Wow a shithouse lawyer to boot.
That's better than what you are, which is a total shite Bird.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:18 pm to 79
I was walking to my deer stand in my army surplus camo and was called out for stolen valor.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:23 pm to 79
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So are you saying it's okay or not? I'm no military vet so I have no idea.
If you are a civilian, it's not proper to don the Class A uniform and walk about in public as though you were an active duty servicemember.
When you are on active duty, you are advised to wear your uniform while on official duties, and rarely when not on official duty.
Active duty servicemembers do not don their Class A uniforms and walk about in public, unless there is some formal group patriotic function of which they are a part, or perhaps for a military wedding.
There's a domestic terror threat out there, and, there's no reason to "show off" your Class A uniform, unless there's an official purpose.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:27 pm to Champagne
I would be willing to bet that most servicemen aren't in because they believe in what they're doing. It's simply an opportunity for most. Harassing this old man is awful.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:31 pm to ALT F4
Nobody gives a frick about what you surmise are the reasons why somebody joins the service.
That said, here is the relevant reg for the Army, but, I don't know if the USMC reg is exactly the same. It probably is. Check page 45.
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Mr. Ford's intentions are honorable and he did not deserve to be mistreated. That said, unless he was involved in a military organization's Memorial Day Ceremony, he was not in compliance.
He did not commit a crime, however.
That said, here is the relevant reg for the Army, but, I don't know if the USMC reg is exactly the same. It probably is. Check page 45.
LINK
Mr. Ford's intentions are honorable and he did not deserve to be mistreated. That said, unless he was involved in a military organization's Memorial Day Ceremony, he was not in compliance.
He did not commit a crime, however.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:33 pm to Champagne
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Again, it is unusual for a lone civilian to do this. If there is a Veterans group in his area that has formal Memorial Day ceremonies, he should join that group and become an active member. I'm an active member of the VFW and DAV. I would advise Mr. Ford to join us. We do proper honors on Memorial Day, but, NONE of us wear active duty uniforms during these ceremonies.
He is a 75 year old grandfather. How do you know any of his circumstances? He could and quite probably is a bit off. From the accounts he's just a simple old man. Why people would even give a shite about what an old man is wearing is beyond me. It is just bullying plain and simple and the cop and "private citizen" we're just a couple of jackasses.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:37 pm to Shamalamadingdong
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It is just bullying plain and simple and the cop and "private citizen" we're just a couple of jackasses.
I agree that he was bullied in a most disgraceful manner.
I would have defended him, if I were there. I would not have silently stood by while he was being mistreated.
I'm a retired military officer and I consider it my duty to help Veterans, not to berate them or insult them.
It's not asking too much of ourselves as Vets to treat other Vets with quiet respect.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 9:41 pm to Macintosh504
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All cops and people in military are dumbasses who couldn't get into college
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