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re: Harrisburg police officer wrongly accuses veteran, 75, of 'stolen valor'
Posted on 6/4/15 at 6:13 pm to Street Hawk
Posted on 6/4/15 at 6:13 pm to Street Hawk
quote:
Can you be accused of stolen valor of you dress up as a Marine for Halloween?
What if you pretend to be on of the marines that calls out other people for stolen valor?
If I make a video on stolen valor and I haven't served, am I stealing valor?
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 6:21 pm to stout
I have almost no knowledge from memory with regard to the regulations governing wear of the uniform for civilian personnel who were formerly active duty, reserve or national guard members of the armed forces.
As such, I don't know whether Mr. Ford, who received his discharge in 1964, was in compliance with all governing regs.
In my experience, it is quite unusual for a civilian discharged in 1964 to wear his Class A uniform out in public to a community function called an "Artsfest", unless he was an active participant in a Memorial Day Ceremony, such as being part of a Color Guard. It's even more unusual for a man discharged in 1964 to don the CURRENT Class A uniform for any reason whatsoever.
I attended several Memorial Day ceremonies in recent years, and, at NONE of them, did I witness a civilian, ex military, who decided to wear the Class A uniform that is currently worn. None.
Even the Vietnam Vets Association, who performs the "Missing Man" ceremony, do not wear active duty Class A uniforms when they perform this ceremony and neither does their Color Guard.
In conclusion, my opinion is that, unless Mr. Ford participated that day in some kind of Memorial Day Ceremony, he was probably incorrect for his actions, particularly if he wore any part of the uniform incorrectly.
As such, I don't know whether Mr. Ford, who received his discharge in 1964, was in compliance with all governing regs.
In my experience, it is quite unusual for a civilian discharged in 1964 to wear his Class A uniform out in public to a community function called an "Artsfest", unless he was an active participant in a Memorial Day Ceremony, such as being part of a Color Guard. It's even more unusual for a man discharged in 1964 to don the CURRENT Class A uniform for any reason whatsoever.
I attended several Memorial Day ceremonies in recent years, and, at NONE of them, did I witness a civilian, ex military, who decided to wear the Class A uniform that is currently worn. None.
Even the Vietnam Vets Association, who performs the "Missing Man" ceremony, do not wear active duty Class A uniforms when they perform this ceremony and neither does their Color Guard.
In conclusion, my opinion is that, unless Mr. Ford participated that day in some kind of Memorial Day Ceremony, he was probably incorrect for his actions, particularly if he wore any part of the uniform incorrectly.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 6:26 pm to stout
grunts gonna grunt
Posted on 6/4/15 at 6:26 pm to Champagne
quote:
Ford has a tradition on Memorial Day. He dons his dress blue uniform, visits the cemetery, plays "Taps" on his bugle in a wreath-laying ceremony along the Susquehanna River, then attends Artsfest, where he looks for presents for his granddaughter.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 6:32 pm to Champagne
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In conclusion, my opinion is that, unless Mr. Ford participated that day in some kind of Memorial Day Ceremony, he was probably incorrect for his actions, particularly if he wore any part of the uniform incorrectly.
Who cares?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 6:34 pm to Champagne
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In conclusion, my opinion is that, unless Mr. Ford participated that day in some kind of Memorial Day Ceremony, he was probably incorrect for his actions, particularly if he wore any part of the uniform incorrectly.
Sorry, when did the city of Harrisburg name you Independent Counsel again?
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 6:47 pm to Champagne
quote:So your opinion is based entirely on your anecdotal experiences and perceived atypicality of his behavior? Regardless, you picked the most irrelevant part of the story to formulate such an evidence-lacking opinion.
In conclusion, my opinion is that, unless Mr. Ford participated that day in some kind of Memorial Day Ceremony, he was probably incorrect for his actions, particularly if he wore any part of the uniform incorrectly.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:02 pm to Macintosh504
quote:
All cops and people in military are dumbasses who couldn't get into college
what about the officers who went to college? what about the enlisted the attend college while in the military?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:02 pm to Macintosh504
quote:
All cops and people in military are dumbasses who couldn't get into college
There are just as many dumbasses that been to college. Some are afraid to serve their country and some are born with that silver spoon up their arse. Which do you fall under.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:04 pm to stout
What a douchebag. It's pieces of shite like this who can ruin your life in an instant. In a sane world this cop would be fired and publicly berated by all his co-workers.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:05 pm to Macintosh504
quote:
All cops and people in military are dumbasses who couldn't get into college
You're funny. My MD says otherwise.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:05 pm to Tampa Tiger
the % of people who have degrees in the military far outweigh the civilian population.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:06 pm to stout
Has Darth chimed in with his expert opinion on this matter?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:07 pm to PhiTiger1764
Cops
Stolen Valor douchebags
Nick Saban
Robert Durst
People who "steal valor"
Stolen Valor douchebags
Nick Saban
Robert Durst
People who "steal valor"
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:12 pm to ManBearTiger
I'm not sure if that list starts forward or backwards
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:17 pm to TigerattheU
mayor is a piece of shite... wow
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:17 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
What if you pretend to be on of the marines that calls out other people for stolen valor?
Stolen Stolen Valor?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:18 pm to Champagne
quote:
I have almost no knowledge from memory with regard to the regulations governing wear of the uniform for civilian personnel who were formerly active duty, reserve or national guard members of the armed forces.
Here are the governing regulations: Wear whatever you want, whenever you want, just make sure your dong is not exposed.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:20 pm to monsterballads
quote:
what about the officers who went to college? what about the enlisted the attend college while in the military?
Yep, the 80%+ of those guys who couldn't get a scholarship out of highschool and latch onto the teet of waived tuition are very smart.
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