re: Feds raid Centurian place "mansion". Confiscate Ferrari and much more

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Tax collectors doing their job. Civil forfeiture is disgusting.


Anybody who dosen't believe this is 100% true shouldn't be allowed to vote. Or breathe.

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Ima say that's a little strong, although I do agree with your premise that the aforementioned federal raid, and others like it, have zero to do with public health, welfare, and safety, and everything to do with money. That fact alone - and I do think it's an establish fact at this point - should really get people pisseder than it does. Furthermore, people should be pisseder whether they smoke dope or not.

Had a semi-related discussion with my wife on this subject last night. The suckiest part of democracy is that the attention of the powers that be are historically grabbed when and only when several thousand people amass with weapons. It's basically happened 2.5 times in the history of this country. Around 1776, around 1861, and to some degree, the 60's.

It's a damn shame that THAT has to happen before folks begin to think of what policy, procedure, and measure are really doing to the greatest country ever established.

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Somehow the "legalize marijuana" group seems to associate this stuff because people are calling it "fake weed"..very far from it as far as danger or side effects.

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I agree. We need to stop calling it "fake weed" because that is incredibly misleading. The only thing that it has in common with weed is that you smoke some flowered plant. But the active ingredient doesn't come from the plant at all, and the effects of it are nothing like weed. This was also the case when JWH-18 was still legal.

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but I had the chance to speak to someone yesterday that has some of the inside scoop on this investigation. Without going too in depth, this went a lot deeper than some guy selling some harmless recreational MJ substitute.

He was actively importing from China all sorts of varied industrial chemicals and manufacturing this stuff for consumption.

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Inside scoop huh? Like the local news station? LINK

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Dunn is accused of buying or selling items fraudulently imported to the United States from China. She is among nearly a dozen other suspects accused in this case that spans five states and China. "She certainly has not imported goods into the country, but is alleged to be involved in a conspiracy," Myer said.

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Tax collectors doing their job. Civil forfeiture is disgusting.


Do you honestly believe that is even a drop in the federal bucket? Do you understand how our current economy works? When more funds are needed more money is printed in our current system. One day inflation will bit us in the arse but that day hasn't come yet because prices are still suppressed due to low demand

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Dan, I'm no Rickety apologist, but I didn't take his post to mean that one federal raid had an effect on the federal budget. I took it more as Rickety having a problem with the entire federal policy as it pertains to drug laws in general, and marijuana specifically. Surely you've been the board target of such discussions, right? The ones where folks are upset over the amount of law enforcement dollars that get allocated to stopping people from selling and smoking pot, as well as the discussions on the measures and degrees of force used in raid type situations?

Well this doesn't look good for the cops. Federal magistrate said they lacked evidence and that the chemicals were legal when he ordered them. Bond set at $10,000.

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Ya...and booze is still worse.

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Not even close.

So he puts up 10 points and walks out of jail.

They took all his crap for nothing.

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The only thing that it has in common with weed is that you smoke some flowered plant. But the active ingredient doesn't come from the plant at all, and the effects of it are nothing like weed.

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Chemically, the active ingredient binds the same receptor as THC. Thus, the comparison/similar name.

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The problem is once they outlawed that the new formulations they came up with got farther and farther from the original and with new and worse side effects.

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Yes. The newer synthetics also target CB1 with a notable absence of CB2 affinity. More importantly, however, is their ability to activate the receptor as full agonists, as opposed to partial agonists like THC proper. Their binding half-life is also significantly longer. A (likely) less important but still significant difference is that natural plant marijuana contains a number of cannabinoids, one of which is cannabinadiol (CBD) which has essentially the opposite effects of THC (it's anti-psychotic and responsible for the anti-anxiety properties in some strains of weed, as opposed to the THC-heavy ones which are more pro-psychotic and more likely to induce anxiety).

The fact remains, however, they all, including the newer versions, target a common receptor. Thus the term "synthetic marijuana."

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Another product of making something illegal creating an even worse alternative on the market.

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Louisiana actually signed into law outlawing the growth/production/use/consumption etc of every known cannabinoid and blanket phrased "any analogues thereof" in hopes to quell the created problem you speak of. I'm not suggesting it was the right or the wrong move or that it has any effects on what's happening/going to happen, but the "you can't ban a substance because they'll just make one like it" argument makes much less sense now (key word: now) with the way the law is written.