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re: Driver dies in autopilot activated tesla. Feds investigating.

Posted on 6/30/16 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 5:58 pm to
Every single plaintiff lawyer has the hardest dick possible about self driving cars. Imagine a world where you could go after a major car manufacturer after every accident.
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:14 pm to
There is a far higher standard for automated driving, so this will set it back.

Also, the press release from Tesla said this was the first crash in 130 million miles while the U.S. average is 1 crash per 94 million miles. That is far less of a difference than I would have expected considering the Tesla is actually at fault. I want a self driving car badly so I can read while riding in my car, but I will require a far larger gap in crashes per miles driven than that.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 6:16 pm
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:17 pm to
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What's the point of having an autopilot if I still have to pay attention while on the road?


I cannot upvote this enough. This is the sole reason I want autopilot. I want it to be like Minority Report or Timecop.
Posted by TigerRad
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:17 pm to
And how many highway deaths were there in fully human-controlled cars in the time period that this one took to happen? 30,000?


When the stats are in, the safety difference will be so great, that self driving cars will become a moral imperative. You will get a ticket for having your hands ON the wheel.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:21 pm to
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Most proponents of autopilot cars claim that it will make the road a safer place because the autopilot system will be better at driving and making decisions than a human. We obviously are not there yet.


My backup camera alerts for cracks in the driveway, sticks, and even shadows. Until the sensors get a lot better you'll be slamming on the brakes ever mile or two.
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:51 pm to
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"Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied," Tesla wrote.


How do they know the driver didn't notice it?
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:52 pm to
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And how many highway deaths were there in fully human-controlled cars in the time period that this one took to happen?


Tesla issued a press release providing said stats (number of deaths are irrelevant since there are so, so many more non-electric cars on the road):

The press release from Tesla said this was the first crash in 130 million miles while the U.S. average is 1 crash per 94 million miles.

I need a much, much higher improvement over non-autopilot then that for me to ever buy a self-driving car.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:57 pm to
The driver must not have noticed it because he didn't hit the brakes either. That or he wasn't watching the road which is probably something he agreed to do when he accepted the terms to activate autopilot.
Posted by Merck
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:00 pm to
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How do they know the driver didn't notice i


Considering that most people's first reaction is to slam on the brakes when faced with the prospect of driving straight into the side of a semi, it's a fair bet he didn't see it.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 7:01 pm
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:11 pm to
But um how does tesla know this?
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:30 pm to
I have no idea how to respond to this.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
3170 posts
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:47 pm to
It is a beta release option yet they already have 130 million miles of fatality free autopilot operation???

Tesla must have one hell of a test program before they beta release.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:52 pm to
first of all, everyone is assuming that even if he had his hands on the wheel and was in full control he could have done something to prevent the accident.

It seems to me that everyone is losing sight of the fact that THE VEHICLE AT FAULT was the vehicle that was not controlled by autopilot.

When did tesla say that autopilot could avoid collisions from other vehicles acting erratically. The car is still moving at 80 miles an hour and if a vehicle crosses the median the computer or a human might not have time to react.

I'll start to panic when an autopiloted car jumps the median and kills someone
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:02 pm to
The "black box" probably shows that the brakes were not applied manually or by the autopilot.
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 7/1/16 at 1:35 pm to
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The "black box" probably shows that the brakes were not applied manually or by the autopilot.




quote:

driver was so enamored of his Tesla Model S sedan that he nicknamed the car “Tessy,” praised the safety benefits of its “Autopilot” system and was watching a Harry Potter video when he became the first person to die in a wreck involving a car in self-driving mode.


LINK
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
19999 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 1:39 pm to
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The May crash occurred when a tractor trailer drove across a divided highway, where a Tesla in autopilot mode was driving.


Seems like the driver would have died if they were operating the vehicle manually.

My vote is not at fault.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
19999 posts
Posted on 7/1/16 at 2:07 pm to
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Make all tractor trailers travel at night.


You ok with everything that gets shipped being delayed twice as long. Think about that for a second...
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