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re: Do you think some people's environment dooms them to fail?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:55 pm to CajunSoldier225
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:55 pm to CajunSoldier225
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It's all about understanding what you want, how to get here, and dedicating the time to make it happen
I agree with this. However, group think kills a lot of these young peoples hopes and aspirations. I come across countless young men who had an idea of how to better their situation and family and friends discourage them from moving forward.
I don't think intelligence plays the deciding factor in success. I believe it has more to do with determination and discipline.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:55 pm to 337Tiger19
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Really high violence, but maybe that wouldn't have been the case if the government hadn't allowed so many gun and liquor stores to be in these concentrated areas of poverty.
This is like the chicken and egg discussion. I believe the gun and liquor stores opened because there was a booming market for them in those areas.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:56 pm to 337Tiger19
And you missed this gem in the article:
Sounds like inner-city corner stores in Baltimore have remained even beyond the demographic shift.
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The number of licenses in Baltimore actually shrank in the past 30 years. No new licenses have been issued since 1968, and some have been surrendered since then. While there were 2,200 licenses in 1968, there are 1,500 now, Schroeder said.
Sounds like inner-city corner stores in Baltimore have remained even beyond the demographic shift.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:58 pm to 337Tiger19
It depends on how bad the environment is and how exposed to it people are growing up. Generally, yes, but the possibility of something greater is also possible and that's what we should strive for.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:59 pm to 337Tiger19
I went to college full time, all the while working full time and supporting a family of 5. I did this without government assistance. I grew up poor, lived in a poor neighborhood, and went to public school just like others. Some people take the easy route and some take the hard work route. There is too much help out there to help a person succeed.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:59 pm to 337Tiger19
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Correct. They survived. Just barely though. Having to worry about your next meal or living with no electricity half the time
I grew up in the 80's and 90's on SSI ($14,00 a year). I never robbed anyone.
The welfare payments/subsidies/assistance of today are at least 3 times that.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:59 pm to Golfer
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Sounds like inner-city corner stores in Baltimore have remained even beyond the demographic shift.
The demographic shift in major cities like Baltimore started to occur before 1968, which is right in the middle of the civl rights movement. For lack of a better term, "white flight" began more so in the 1950s.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:00 pm to 337Tiger19
Failures are designed to fail. Nothing anybody can do about it except for them.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:00 pm to USMCTiger03
Well yeah there are liquor stores and gun stores in wealthier areas. But they carry pricier stock, like single barrel bourbons, single malt scotch, whatever the fancy vodka of the month is. Not MD 20/20, Thunderbird, and the Bull.
And the gun stores probably have some Dan Wesson, Sig Sauer, etc instead of HiPoints and Taurus.
And the gun stores probably have some Dan Wesson, Sig Sauer, etc instead of HiPoints and Taurus.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:02 pm to Mootsman
This thread is like the anti-OT balla threads. Who knew we had so many posters here that pulled themselves out of the slums to that deluxe apartment in the skyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. 
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:02 pm to BIGDAB
Yes. Anyone that's ever dealt with the parents of some little shits out there, should agree.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:02 pm to 337Tiger19
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Do you think some people's environment dooms them to fail?
yes, certainly
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:03 pm to 337Tiger19
No I was raised in trailer parks in the middle of no where. I set my own goals and the path to achieve them and did it. It's up to the person not any other excuses.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:05 pm to Carson123987
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yes, certainly
I agree but I believe our genetics are just as big a factor. I believe our genetics and our environment determine everything we do or ever will do.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:06 pm to LSUdm21
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This thread is like the anti-OT balla threads. Who knew we had so many posters here that pulled themselves out of the slums to that deluxe apartment in the skyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Those are the responses I was looking forward to seeing.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:10 pm to iwasthere
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I went to college full time, all the while working full time and supporting a family of 5. I did this without government assistance. I grew up poor, lived in a poor neighborhood, and went to public school just like others. Some people take the easy route and some take the hard work route. There is too much help out there to help a person succeed.
I can vouch for this, I was there.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:33 pm to yellowfin
quote:I sort of agree. Success breeds success but a lot of those elders were oppressed during times where the majority race was privileged. How can they teach and guide their youth to do things they've never seen or experienced. Try making sure that your child completed their algebra assignment when you never had the chance to finish middle school.
There's a reason impoverished youths grow up in those situations. I'm a firm believer that dumb parents make dumb kids
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:34 pm to 337Tiger19
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Does the upper-middle class white kid in the suburbs have the same chance at becoming the CEO of a major corporation as a kid growing up on the south side of Chicago?
Are you seriously asking this question? If so you are a huge idiot.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:38 pm to 337Tiger19
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I know back in the early 90s/late 80s urban neighborhoods were at their worst. Really high violence, but maybe that wouldn't have been the case if the government hadn't allowed so many gun and liquor stores to be in these concentrated areas of poverty. Racial profiling was still really prevalent. The question is, do you think there is equal opportunity to succeed in America for everyone today? Does the upper-middle class white kid in the suburbs have the same chance at becoming the CEO of a major corporation as a kid growing up on the south side of Chicago? Or do you think there is still a lot more for impoverished youths to overcome even with the scholarships and grants that are only available to them?
The kid growing up in the better circumstances has the better shot at success because (most likely) his parents and environment provide him positive role models that teach him/her how to be successful. The kid that grows up in a shitty neighborhood with shitty parents (or parent) is more likely to be about as shitty due to those same factors.
That's not society's fault, it's not government's fault, it's the fault of the shitty parent(s) and/or parent(s) that stay in shitty neighborhoods.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:43 pm to 337Tiger19
It's around these businesses that a lot of crime happens. For obvious reasons
William "Willie" Sutton was a prolific American bank robber. During his forty-year criminal career he stole an estimated $2 million. When asked why he robbed banks, Sutton reportedly replied, "Because that's where the money is."
William "Willie" Sutton was a prolific American bank robber. During his forty-year criminal career he stole an estimated $2 million. When asked why he robbed banks, Sutton reportedly replied, "Because that's where the money is."
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