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re: Constraints on the aferlife
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:51 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:51 am to Darth_Vader
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Place your bets folks.
Pascal's Wager, a favorite of the weak willed.
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:51 am to Traffic Circle
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Well, you got the whole a Catholic Church.
The Catholic church does not teach that all Muslims and Jews are going to hell. So, you are already wrong.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:51 am to Traffic Circle
You must be a pleasure to be around.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:01 am to SmackoverHawg
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How do we know our physical body isn't just a figment of our imaginations
Because if it was everybody would be an OT 10
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:08 am to Traffic Circle
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Doesn't Christianity, at its essence, teach that Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. are all going to hell? Along with gays, adulterers, and all the other perverted people out there.
I can't believe this, yet profess to be a Christian, so it's an issue for me to follow the doctrine.
No, Christianity teaches that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. This includes you, me, and every single living human being since the beginning. All sin is equally wretched and intolerable in God's eyes. Thus all people who have ever lived are equally sinful in God's eyes. Hitler & John the Baptists outside the Blood of Christ are both equal in the eyes of God and both equally deserving of Judgement. No matter how "good" you live your life it cannot make up for your sinful nature.
Christianity also teaches that the wages of sin is death. But death is not just the physical body stopping functions and rotting away. Real death is to be cast into Hell for eternity in complete isolation for God. You see God is pure love, compassion, kindness. Only from God can these things come from. Once cast into hell, a damn soul will never experience any of these ever again. Even more so than the flames of the lake of fire, this is the true torment of hell.
Christianity also teaches that through accepting Christ as the risen savior, the Son of God, can you be saved from your sins. This goes back to what I said above about Christ saying "I am the way". Accept him as your savior and repent (BTW, repenting is is more than saying you're sorry for sinning) and you will be saved. It does not matter what your sins have been, all sins are equal in God's eyes. And god knows that as long as you occupy the flesh of your body you will sin again.
That in a nutshell is what Christianity teaches. It teachers that we're all sinners, no one is better or worse in God's eyes. It teaches He loves the drag queen living a hedonistic existence in San Francisco just like he loves the most devout follower of Christ be they Catholic or Protestant. He loves the Islamic Suicide Bomber as much as he loves the innocent babies in the newborn nursery at your local hospital. He even loves the mass murder sitting in prison as much as he loves the Pope. And it teaches we're all equally free to accept his free gift of life through the sacrifice of His Son to pay the price for our sins.
Does it makes sense to the human mind? No, not really. But then again. There is a lot we cannot understand or really even begin to fathom.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:11 am to Rickety Cricket
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Place your bets folks.
Pascal's Wager, a favorite of the weak willed.
So, Rickety Cricket, you're a genius and have the answers that C. S. Lewis could not find?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:14 am to SpidermanTUba
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Given that the brain dies when you're dead - and given that science has shown us the brain is what stores memories - therefore, it stands to reason that IF there is an afterlife, you will enter it cleaned of all memories you have made in your life.
I didn't read all of the thread so maybe this was covered but just because you can't access the memories stored in the brain does not mean they are not there. Like a malfunctioning hard drive. Just because you can't get to the data with the built-in hardware doesn't mean the data is not there.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:14 am to Kadjin
Serious questions for believers that are going to sound argumentative:
Disregarding any inconsistencies with a literal reading of the Bible, let's say we go with the typical U.S. interpretation of the Bible, where God brings the born-again to Heaven and the rest of the sinners spend eternity in a fiery Hell with Satan.
What are the boundaries of Heaven and Hell? Am I free to leave Heaven whenever I want? Do I get to decorate my own mansion? What if my neighbors think my decorations are gaudy? Who do they complain to? Who settles the dispute?
Why can't the evil folks in Hell just get up and leave? If Hell has gates, why can't they storm the gates or hop the fence etc? Don't they outnumber the demons like 80 million to 1? Wouldn't the demons want to leave too? If they can't for some existential reason like nothing existing in their closed universe except for endless fiery Hell and it's beyond their power to change it, then isn't God a sadistic freak for creating the situation?
Disregarding any inconsistencies with a literal reading of the Bible, let's say we go with the typical U.S. interpretation of the Bible, where God brings the born-again to Heaven and the rest of the sinners spend eternity in a fiery Hell with Satan.
What are the boundaries of Heaven and Hell? Am I free to leave Heaven whenever I want? Do I get to decorate my own mansion? What if my neighbors think my decorations are gaudy? Who do they complain to? Who settles the dispute?
Why can't the evil folks in Hell just get up and leave? If Hell has gates, why can't they storm the gates or hop the fence etc? Don't they outnumber the demons like 80 million to 1? Wouldn't the demons want to leave too? If they can't for some existential reason like nothing existing in their closed universe except for endless fiery Hell and it's beyond their power to change it, then isn't God a sadistic freak for creating the situation?
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:15 am to SpidermanTUba
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aferlife
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isn't evidence of an aferlife
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therefore there is an aferlife
I can't have a serious discussion with someone who can't even spell the subject.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:15 am to Rickety Cricket
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Pascal's Wager, a favorite of the weak willed.
Typical crutch and defection I'd expect from you. But you know what I'm saying is true, either John 14:6 is true or it isn't. You can go on about "weak will" and to be honest, if someone bases their faith solely on the fear of eternal damnation their faith is weak at best. But you still cannot escape the fact you have only one of two choices when it comes to John 14:6.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:16 am to SnoopALoop
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Since you don't believe in anything, you must not believe in the p_ssy. Enjoy being a virgin and lonely all your life.
Yeah brah. Pussy is dope. *fist bump*
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:20 am to SpidermanTUba
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Thoughts?
I think that if there is a God who is the author of life, restoring your mind to a perfect state complete with memories would be no big deal.
In other words, this is false:
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therefore, it stands to reason that IF there is an afterlife, you will enter it cleaned of all memories you have made in your life.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:20 am to Darth_Vader
Believing in sacred texts of any flavor is downright hokey. Everyone who does gets lumped into the same category in my mind.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:24 am to Gaston
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Believing in sacred texts of any flavor is downright hokey. Everyone who does gets lumped into the same category in my mind.
Congratulations on having everything figured out.
AS for my book, when I see posts like yours, I think of this from Romans Chapter 1.....
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21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:25 am to Huey Lewis
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literal reading of the Bible
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fiery Hell with Satan
Bible actually suggests hell is separation from God in eternity. Someone teaching literally from the Bible should not consider hell to be a fiery pit somewhere in middle earth. The flames and pitchfork guy are modern associations, not biblical.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:28 am to Huey Lewis
You have a dualistic view of religion and it's not like that.
What I mean is you see God and Satan as equal warring factions, Good vs. Evil.
The war has been fought and won already. Sin has been defeated on Mt Calvary.
Satan will be looked upon by everyone in the afterlife. Everyone will wonder "is THIS what the big fuss was about?"
What I mean is you see God and Satan as equal warring factions, Good vs. Evil.
The war has been fought and won already. Sin has been defeated on Mt Calvary.
Satan will be looked upon by everyone in the afterlife. Everyone will wonder "is THIS what the big fuss was about?"
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:30 am to Darth_Vader
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But you know what I'm saying is true, either John 14:6 is true or it isn't. You can go on about "weak will" and to be honest, if someone bases their faith solely on the fear of eternal damnation their faith is weak at best. But you still cannot escape the fact you have only one of two choices when it comes to John 14:6.
“No one who does good work will ever come to a bad end, either here or in the world to come.”
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:30 am to Darth_Vader
I like how you refute something I never said. I don't think there is anything to figure out, so why would I claim to have? Life is absurd, and you are ultimately responsible to yourself and your loved ones for every action you ever take. You are the sum totals of those actions no matter what. Live life in the manner you want to be thought of by the ones you love and that's it.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:31 am to TJRibMe
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hell is separation from God in eternity
Exactly. The Bible does teach that the damned will be cast into the Lake of Fire but the real torment will be a complete and total separation from God. Literally all good things come from Him. And it's not just the things that I listed above like love, compassion, kindness. It's also things like joy, wisdom, understanding, even happiness itself. Once separated from God existence itself will be torment. And that torment will never end.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:32 am to Gaston
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I don't think there is anything to figure out, so why would I claim to have? Life is absurd, and you are ultimately responsible to yourself and your loved ones for every action you ever take. You are the sum totals of those actions no matter what. Live life in the manner you want to be thought of by the ones you love and that's it.
That's self-contradictory.
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