I guess I'm not going to get an answer about these awesome refurb deals and all the money saved. I know the answer, just wanted to see how deep the shite got.
They're usually, what, 10-15% cheaper I guess? Even if you only save 10 dollars, what's the problem if you get the same warranty? Refurbished doesn't mean used, it means it either had a defect that has been repaired (and the machine has actually been tested if it wasn't before), or it was returned unused by the original buyer and it's not allowed to be sold again as "new".
I'm not sure where this "shit" is that you're talking about.