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re: Brock Turner (Stanford Rapist) to be released from jail this Friday
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:06 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:06 am to NYCAuburn
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You are blaming something other than the person who made the choice to commit a crime.
No, I clearly blame Brock Turner for the crime of sexual assault.
I just choose to not ignore the circumstances which lead to the vulnerable position of the girl who was sexually assaulted.
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:06 am to NYCAuburn
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Yes up to those amounts, I believe. But like most crimes/punishments, rarely do they get maximum
So you think if the max sentence called for 12 years, 3 months is sufficient.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:08 am to Pectus
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:08 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
quote:its possible.... What we do know for a fact is the dude is a sorry excuse for a human being so I'd say if we are going to make assumptions we can assume he'd have hunted down his victim no matter what. That's what tPOS do.
Do you think the broad would have still gotten raped if she hadn't passed out behind a dumpster?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:10 am to ssgtiger
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So you think if the max sentence called for 12 years, 3 months is sufficient.
again, max sentence. Usually max sentence for simple weed possession is 1 year, do you agree with that?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:11 am to DanMullins4Life
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No, I clearly blame Brock Turner for the crime of sexual assault.
and you are blaming her, again, just like people blame the actual gun for murders.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:17 am to DanMullins4Life
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I just choose to not ignore the circumstances which lead to the vulnerable position of the girl who was sexually assaulted.
Maybe we should ban alcohol from all college campuses so no one gets raped, instead of punishing the rapists. It's the only way.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:20 am to NYCAuburn
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and you are blaming her, again, just like people blame the actual gun for murders.
I think he is trying to say that he feels that there should be a level of personal responsibility for allowing herself to get so intoxicated.
Legally speaking, it's irrelevant as he was the aggressor.
Culturally, the whole situation is an example of how we need to talk with our kids about the risks and responsibilities of alcohol consumption. For the guy, it's probably an example of how being really drunk alters your judgment and can lead to irreversible consequences that can harm others.
For the girl, it's an example of not making yourself vulnerable. This isn't even a double standard. People shamed the LSU guy for passing out in public and getting teabagged by the Alabama fan. The bama fan was later charged and sent to prison for his crime.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:21 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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but people need to be more responsible to avoid situations like this.
Have you ever been to New Orleans?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:24 am to FiddleHead
Didn't want to ruin this young man's life that he's spent out in the heat while we've been in the air conditioning.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:26 am to Bmath
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I think he is trying to say that he feels that there should be a level of personal responsibility for allowing herself to get so intoxicated.
So "blame"?
"Sure that guy was very bad, but she shouldn't have done that" This is essentially the argument.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:32 am to NYCAuburn
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So "blame"?
"Sure that guy was very bad, but she shouldn't have done that" This is essentially the argument.
"The guy was very bad and she should have exercised better judgement and decision-making."
Is either one of these false? You can argue that the second part is irrelevant from a legal standpoint but it isn't irrelevant as far as the situation is concerned.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 11:34 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:35 am to Bmath
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quote:
and you are blaming her, again, just like people blame the actual gun for murders.
I think he is trying to say that he feels that there should be a level of personal responsibility for allowing herself to get so intoxicated.
Legally speaking, it's irrelevant as he was the aggressor.
Culturally, the whole situation is an example of how we need to talk with our kids about the risks and responsibilities of alcohol consumption. For the guy, it's probably an example of how being really drunk alters your judgment and can lead to irreversible consequences that can harm others.
For the girl, it's an example of not making yourself vulnerable. This isn't even a double standard. People shamed the LSU guy for passing out in public and getting teabagged by the Alabama fan. The bama fan was later charged and sent to prison for his crime.
he didn't trip down some stairs or react slowly to a car coming at him ... he raped a woman ... the alcohol has zero influence on that ... he would rape a woman regardless if he was sober or stoned or drunk ...
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:38 am to DanMullins4Life
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quote:
So "blame"?
"Sure that guy was very bad, but she shouldn't have done that" This is essentially the argument.
"The guy was very bad and she should have exercised better judgement and decision-making."
Is either one of these false? You can argue that the second part is irrelevant from a legal standpoint but it isn't irrelevant as far as the situation is concerned.
it's completely irrelevant ... women should be allowed the expectation that they will not be raped because they are drunk or wearing a short skirt or look pretty ... really isn't that difficult to understand ... being drunk/passed out is not a green light for rape ... under any circumstances ...
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:39 am to NYCAuburn
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lets use a fight as an example. You are assaulting someone, at some point you could take it to the next level of criminal stature to felony assault, attempted murder or murder, but the legal line was/is not crossed, thus a separation of punishment/crimes.
I'm not sure this is apples and apples, because...
if you do decide to take it to the next level and murder the poor lad, but the state you are in has no clear definition of the delineation between attempted murder and murder (improbable), would you not still be a murderer for having murdered?
I get what you are saying. The court ruled that Turner was not a rapist, for whatever reason, and therefore could not be sentenced as such. Therefore ,the penalty when compounded with time off early for good behavior, looks to be fair, so far as criminal statutes dictate. However, compared to what likely, actually occurred, the entire sentence combined with time of for good behavior is extremely lenient, bordering on asinine in the court of public opinion.
I think you are arguing the former, while the majority of this thread's respondents are arguing the latter. In which case, IMHO, I think both are correct.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:50 am to tiderider
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he would rape a woman regardless if he was sober or stoned or drunk ...
Speculation
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:55 am to LSUPHILLY72
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3 counts of felony sexual assault
That boggles my mind. Three felonies, three months.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:00 pm to tiderider
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it's completely irrelevant ... women should be allowed the expectation that they will not be raped because they are drunk or wearing a short skirt or look pretty ... really isn't that difficult to understand ... being drunk/passed out is not a green light for rape ... under any circumstances ...
I don't understand the level of mental gymnastics where people think anyone is trying to argue that.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:00 pm to FiddleHead
Brock lives matter
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:01 pm to FiddleHead
I hope he got raped.
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