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re: Brock Turner (Stanford Rapist) to be released from jail this Friday
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:13 am to Lithium
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:13 am to Lithium
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before football season and FWIW if that had been my daughter I would kick his arse Ramsay Bolton style
You weigh more than 300 pounds don't you.
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:14 am to JBeam
quote:Ok. So NYCAuburn's point is still valid. People are outraged he is out so early after "rape," but the thing is he didnt get convicted of rape so he isnt out early for a rape charge
He wasn't convicted of rape. But was identified by two eyewitnesses and then tackled/detained by those eyewitnesses until authorities showed up.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:16 am to lsupride87
quote:Look at his post, what exactly are you questioning? It was very concise.
So what you are actually saying is, that he wasnt convicted of rape, and NYCAuburn is right? You realize that is what your post shows correct?
Not being convicted of rape does not mean a rape did not occur, speaking generally of course.
Obligatory OJ didn't murder Nicole!
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:18 am to Lithium
quote:Everyone says this, virtually no one ever does it.
and FWIW if that had been my daughter I would kick his arse Ramsay Bolton style
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:18 am to SaturdayTraditions
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How do you define what he did?
What do you consider rape?
To borrow from old Billy Shakespeare, "A rose by any other name smell as sweet."
In my personal opinion, regardless of what the courts ruled, he is a rapist, because he raped that unconscious girl.
I think more than likely he sexually assaulted her(based on what is known). I do feel the punishment for sexual assault was lacking but do think they are separate crimes in a legal sense.
Now as far as on a personal level, someone who sexually assaults someone is no better than a rapist.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:19 am to shel311
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Not being convicted of rape does not mean a rape did not occur, speaking generally of course.
Okay, so was there any evidence of rape under the California law? As far as I am aware of, no...
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Obligatory OJ didn't murder Nicole!
Was there evidence that suggested this to not be the case vs the turner case?
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:23 am to FiddleHead
frick him. I hope that somebody brings some street justice to his bitch arse.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:23 am to NYCAuburn
In summary, what you actually did and what can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt are often two different things.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:23 am to shel311
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and FWIW if that had been my daughter I would kick his arse Ramsay Bolton style
quote:It really would have a negative effect on the situation. If anything, the victims letter from a few months ago is the most slamming thing to Brock Turners defense of the events that took place.
Everyone says this, virtually no one ever does it.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:26 am to slackster
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In summary, what you actually did and what can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt are often two different things.
Yes, but in this particular case that is not what is pertinent. There was no evidence of rape in which they could not convict. Unlike the OJ case mentioned above.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:29 am to NYCAuburn
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Okay, so was there any evidence of rape under the California law? As far as I am aware of, no...
So he meets the criteria to be convicted of rape in 40 or so states.. but because the state he resides in has poorly written legislation.. he isn't a rapist?
That's absurd and it's why few to no people respect lawyers
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:29 am to NYCAuburn
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Okay, so was there any evidence of rape under the California law? As far as I am aware of, no...
He was originally charge with 2 counts of rape as well. As part of his plea deal, those 2 counts were dropped and he pled guilty to 3 counts of felony sexual assault.
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People v. Turner, formally People of the State of California v. Brock Allen Turner (2015), was a criminal case filed in Santa Clara County Superior Court which convicted Brock Allen Turner of three counts of felony sexual assault
So, yeah, from a Message Board perspective, it's safe to assume a rape occurred, even though he was not convicted.
Victims don't distinguish between felony sexual assault & rape. That's a court of law thing.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 9:44 am to LSUPHILLY72
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He was originally charge with 2 counts of rape as well. As part of his plea deal, those 2 counts were dropped and he pled guilty to 3 counts of felony sexual assault.
Was there any evidence of rape under California law? you quoted the question, but side stepped the answer.
Also, he didnt have a plea deal/reduced charges, he was convicted by a jury. They reduced the charges because they lacked anything to substantiate them...
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Victims don't distinguish between felony sexual assault & rape. That's a court of law thing.
agreed on a personal/social level its different, but in a legal sense they are separated. Underage consensual teens dont distinguish between age brackets, but a court of law does.
lets use a fight as an example. You are assaulting someone, at some point you could take it to the next level of criminal stature to felony assault, attempted murder or murder, but the legal line was/is not crossed, thus a separation of punishment/crimes.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:13 am to NYCAuburn
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Also, he didnt have a plea deal/reduced charges, he was convicted by a jury. They reduced the charges because they lacked anything to substantiate them...
You are right on this...my bad.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:15 am to Lithium
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if that had been my daughter
Would you tell her what a dumbass she was for passing out drunk behind a dumpster afterwards?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:19 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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Would you tell her what a dumbass she was for passing out drunk behind a dumpster afterwards?
Ah, classic victim blaming.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:24 am to wilceaux
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Ah, classic victim blaming.
The guy is a TPOS sex offender.
The girl exercised very poor judgement.
Those are simply the facts of the situation. She doesn't get a free pass on her incompetence because she was a victim of an avoidable situation.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:25 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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Would you tell her what a dumbass she was for passing out drunk behind a dumpster afterwards?
The victim in this case did put herself in a bad situation and should have some retrospective thought on it, but come on man. Had he been a civil, decent, law-abiding human being, she would have been fine no matter her status.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:26 am to DanMullins4Life
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. She doesn't get a free pass on her incompetence because she was a victim of an avoidable situation.
Do you blame guns for murders?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:29 am to bmy
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So he meets the criteria to be convicted of rape in 40 or so states..
Well thats not true, almost half the country doesnt define his crime as rape
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