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re: At full strength who was more powerful in ww2 Germany or US?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:23 pm to bdavids09
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:23 pm to bdavids09
US. Not even close.
Our homefront effort reamins unparalelled in human history.
We had the luxury of producing around the clock without any interference from the war.
Our homefront effort reamins unparalelled in human history.
We had the luxury of producing around the clock without any interference from the war.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:30 pm to bdavids09
You forgot to take into consideration the US was fighting in the Pacific as well as Europe. Germany's navy was primarily U-Boats. Our navy was light years ahead in size as well as our air corps.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:31 pm to tiger94gop
Why did Japan attack US?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:35 pm to bdavids09
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I'm curious if Germany never attacks Russia could the US have defeated Germany when they were at full strength?
Yes. Our industrial capability and population size were enough to supply and man a war on two fronts. We would have lost a shite load more solid overs, but we would have eventually won. Germany simply did not have the resources the allies did.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:35 pm to Boo Krewe
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Why did Japan attack US?
They needed resources and the US placed embargo’s on them so that they couldn’t supply their war machine.
Eta
Also, the believed we wouldn’t want to fight.
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 3:00 am
Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:07 pm to bdavids09
That’s not even a question. Our industrial might would have crushed Germany even without allies, it just might have taken longer. They had a very small blue water navy and we had the biggest. Once we figured out how to hunt down their u-boats the war was over. They made some damn quality tanks but for every one they could produce we sent 10 Shermans off the line with interchangeable parts and skilled crews that could fix their machines in the field. All that is not even calling the most important factor; air power. Germany had no heavy bombers and we had thousands along with long range fighters and skilled pilots that rotated to teach the new crop and replenish our numbers while German pilots had to “fly till they die”. By 1944 most German pilots had very little combat experience as the ones that did were already dead. Patton was right though. We should have used the German army to turn and go after the Soviets while we had the forces over there to do so and then maybe there is no 40 year Cold War.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:19 pm to bayoubengals88
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We had the luxury of producing around the clock without any interference from the war.
Ignoring our overwhelming production of ship tonnage (combat and merchant), just looking at combat aircraft production, the U.S. combined production for 1943 and 1944 were more than any major nation produced the entire war. Only the Soviets exceeded (slightly) half our combat aircraft production.
Tank production were a little more even, overall, but only because we produced so many in 1943, the Army decided we wouldn't even field all of those unmodified. We used aircraft as anti-armor (whereas the Soviets used more tanks to counter tanks), so those numbers really became irrelevant.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:23 pm to Boo Krewe
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Why did Japan attack US?
The most well-thought out act of national suicide in history. None of the rational men who planned and executed the attack on Pearl Harbor gave themselves a 1 in 10 chance of actually defeating the U.S. military outright.
They knew they had a huge initial advantage that would quickly evaporate in a prolonged war. They felt they could expand their borders, sue for peace and have a stronger position than status quo ante. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong.
Those that survived the war largely conceded that if they had known the U.S. would insist on a relatively total war outcome with no (little) negotiation, they wouldn't have signed off on it.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:40 pm to Texas ellessu
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They signed a non-aggression pact but I don't think Hitler never intended to keep his word. Stalin
Neither did Stalin.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 9:50 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
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They signed a non-aggression pact but I don't think Hitler never intended to keep his word. Stalin
Neither did Stalin.
The only reason Germany invaded the USSR instead of the other way around was because Germany believed they had a sufficient advantage to make such an undertaking likely to be successful. Had the shoe been on the other foot, Stalin would have not hesitated.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:37 pm to bdavids09
The United States in 1945 has an argument for being the strongest country relative to its peers in the history of mankind.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:48 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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The United States in 1945 has an argument for being the strongest country relative to its peers in the history of mankind.
And it’s not really even close. Yes the Soviets were on the winning side, but by 1945, the seemingly endless manpower supply of the Soviet Union was just about spent. The Red Army had by 1945 suffered over 22 million casualties. The Red Army was exhausted and it’s best formations were empty shells.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:50 pm to bdavids09
Hitler's biggest mistake was when he bombed Pearl Harbor.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:25 pm to Darth_Vader
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The Red Army had by 1945 suffered over 22 million casualties. The Red Army was exhausted and it’s best formations were empty shells.
To put it in perspective for Americans - setting aside the American Civil War, which was a different time and all the big battles had horrific casualties (with both sides being Americans after all), the 2 seismic events for the U.S. were Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
Pearl Harbor was about 2300 KIA and 9/11 was about 3000 killed. If Soviet KIA estimates are correct, they lost almost 6000 men (military losses) every day from June 1941 until the end of hostilities in May 1945.
About 1 in 5 Soviet boys born in 1921 was alive in 1945.
:letthatsinkin:
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 6:05 am
Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:27 pm to Ace Midnight
Similar figures for the British male fighting population between the early 20’s and mid 40’s.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 12:40 am to bdavids09
No one in the world had any idea how massively powerful the American industrial machine was. The Americans built 175 Fletcher class destroyers during the war. Not destroyers. 175 of just one type of destroyer. That doesn’t count the hundreds of amphibs, transport, minesweeping, auxiliary support ship, etc. before you even get to the hundreds of actual combatants. Now extrapolate that kind of production to tanks, trucks, airplanes of all types and the US could probably outproduce all the other combatants in the war combined.
Add to that the technical and scientific prowess and no one could come close to competing with the US.
Add to that the technical and scientific prowess and no one could come close to competing with the US.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:27 am to SoFla Tideroller
NO ONE was full strength unless we fed them.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:30 am to Turbo_Buffalo
America is still the worlds breadbasket. That goes for several things
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:25 am to crash1211
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We fought a 2 front war also and beat Japan with the Pacific front getting way less material than the European Front plus we were arming our allies at the same time.
However, fighting Japan was different. A lot of it was island hopping where the jap held islands were left to wither and die. Yes, there were pitched battles like tarawa, Guam, etc, but those were usually done within a month’s time. The japs were masters of jungle fighting and it was as brutal as any, however, there weren’t long drawn out campaigns.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:32 am to Spaceman Spiff
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The japs were masters of jungle fighting and it was as brutal as any, however, there weren’t long drawn out campaigns.
Vinegar Joe would disagree.
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