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re: At full strength who was more powerful in ww2 Germany or US?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 4:44 pm to bdavids09
Posted on 11/1/21 at 4:44 pm to bdavids09
quote:yes bc Germany's navy was nothing compared to ours. We would have just bombed the shite out of them until they were at same weakness. however, we did have asinine generals who chose to do asinine stuff like Normandy. We didn't bomb Normandy nearly long enough before invading.
I'm curious if Germany never attacks Russia could the US have defeated Germany when they were at full strength?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 4:48 pm to bdavids09
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. I'm curious if Germany never attacks Russia could the US have defeated Germany when they were at full strength?
Yes
Posted on 11/1/21 at 4:50 pm to arcalades
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We would have just bombed the shite out of them until they were at same weakness. however, we did have asinine generals who chose to do asinine stuff like Normandy.
It only looks dreadfully stupid if the Germans didn't take the bait on Calais.
So they sat...in Calais.
If you bomb too early, the whole plan is shite.
It worked but because our intel & propaganda were airtight on Calais.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 4:54 pm to bdavids09
We supplied the USSR with the modular refineries and technical know how to mass produce vehicles. The Red Army had a shiiteload of US trucks and even Sherman tanks. The ruled the skies with high octane sulfur free gasoline made from CF Braun (Alhambra, CA) built desulphurization units and reformers which are likely still in use today and certainly were in the 1990's
Posted on 11/1/21 at 5:15 pm to bdavids09
At full strength we had nukes, so that alone defeats them.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 5:19 pm to keakar
quote:u write gud
if hitler doesnt attack russia and japan doesnt attack pearl harbor russia and USA sit out ww2 and germany solidifies its power and control of all of europe
Posted on 11/1/21 at 5:23 pm to bdavids09
Definitely the US. Nazi Germany was brainwashed into believing they could actually take over Europe and the West. They’re kind of like ULL in football. They wreck havoc on the weaker countries, but when it comes down to real competition, the Germans had no chance. They were too barbaric to fight strong and civilized nations.
On another note, most of our war effort was spent in the Pacific. We let the Soviets take the blunt of the blow, in order to weaken Nazi Germany. Once that happened, Germany didn’t stand a chance. Didn’t even need a full war effort to defeat them by the time we really went into Europe. Stalin hated how long the US and GB waited, before coming up to the shores of Normandy. USSR was a ally/enemy once Germany attacked them, and it benefited the US, for the USSR to take on the casualties. The US and GB just came in to finish the job, and begin the race with the USSR.
On another note, most of our war effort was spent in the Pacific. We let the Soviets take the blunt of the blow, in order to weaken Nazi Germany. Once that happened, Germany didn’t stand a chance. Didn’t even need a full war effort to defeat them by the time we really went into Europe. Stalin hated how long the US and GB waited, before coming up to the shores of Normandy. USSR was a ally/enemy once Germany attacked them, and it benefited the US, for the USSR to take on the casualties. The US and GB just came in to finish the job, and begin the race with the USSR.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 5:23 pm to bdavids09
Both armies were heavily drugged up
Posted on 11/1/21 at 5:28 pm to bdavids09
The U.S. was much bigger, more populous than WWII Germany.
The Russians won the war largely on numbers and production. While the U.S. likely could not have kept up with raw Soviet manpower, production wasn't even in question. Every tank the Germans built, the Russians built 15 or 16. Every tank the Russians built, we could have built 2 or 3.
And don't get me started about air power. Like the NFL All Pro team (U.S.) versus a pretty good high school team (Germany).
The joke the Germans on the Western Front made during 1944, "If the planes are silver, those are American planes. If they're tan, they're British. If there are no planes at all, that's the Luftwaffe."
The Russians won the war largely on numbers and production. While the U.S. likely could not have kept up with raw Soviet manpower, production wasn't even in question. Every tank the Germans built, the Russians built 15 or 16. Every tank the Russians built, we could have built 2 or 3.
And don't get me started about air power. Like the NFL All Pro team (U.S.) versus a pretty good high school team (Germany).
The joke the Germans on the Western Front made during 1944, "If the planes are silver, those are American planes. If they're tan, they're British. If there are no planes at all, that's the Luftwaffe."
Posted on 11/1/21 at 6:16 pm to arcalades
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We didn't bomb Normandy nearly long enough before invading.
1 the invasion was dependent on a relatively rare confluence of weather, moon and tide. These windows were usually weeks apart. When an opportunity presented itself they had to take it
2. The lack of prolonged heavy bombardment was part of a deliberate deception plan to make the Germans believe the main landing would come at the Pas de Calais. It worked to perfection. Even after the Normandy landings were days old, Hitler refused to commit reserves to Normandy, thinking it was a diversion. While the lack of bombardment may have cost lives initially, it saved lines in the long run. At any event, we were ashore and moving inland at the end of day one. Omaha Beach notwithstanding, the invasion couldn't have gone much better
Posted on 11/1/21 at 6:27 pm to DarthRebel
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The US is also more abundant in natural resources for the production of weapons.
The city of Pittsburgh produced more steel during WWII than Germany and Japan combined. Once the US got into full war production Germany was toast. And the situation was worse for Japan.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 6:40 pm to bdavids09
If Hitler would have stopped in 1939 just short of invading Poland he could have built a Third Reich and nobody would have stopped him. Hell he might have even been able to hold France and Poland and held the peace deal with Stalin. But no…. He had to take it all and it led to his downfall… thankfully.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 6:49 pm to jcaz
The Nazi philosophy was predicated on subjugating and colonizing the East. It was a core principle. Everything else was setting the stage for that. Poland, the war in the west, all of it was in preparation for invading the USSR. Godless Jewish Bolshevism had to be annihilated and the eastern lands farmed by Aryan settlers. That was National Socialism in a nutshell. There was always going to be a strike on Russia. There had to be.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:00 pm to bdavids09
Both Germany and Japan ran the math before the war started. Their strategists knew that even at full strength they couldn’t win a war with the US long term. The point of
Pearl Harbor was to destroy the US carriers , take Midway and Hawaii, and force a settlement with the threat of west coast invasion. Yamamoto knew they were screwed when he didn’t destroy any carriers at PH
Germany’s entire strategy depended upon the US not entering the war at any point. PH amd the declaration of war on Germany that followed really ranked up not only US production , but what the US lent/leased to the UK and USSR. It also increased the merchant shipping to those allows. Most likely , USSR falls in 42 without the US built supplies and raw goods coming into it. At that point , the UK falls.
Even under best circumstances , neither could out manufacture the US under any circumstances. I used to know the numbers, but at max capacity the US out produced both 3–1. The biggest strategic error both countries made is the failure to produce a long range bomber. The US pounded the strategic infrastructure of both countries from jump. It severely handicapped both countries. At best, Japan and Germany could impact the supply chain via U boats, but never the production capacity.
Pearl Harbor was to destroy the US carriers , take Midway and Hawaii, and force a settlement with the threat of west coast invasion. Yamamoto knew they were screwed when he didn’t destroy any carriers at PH
Germany’s entire strategy depended upon the US not entering the war at any point. PH amd the declaration of war on Germany that followed really ranked up not only US production , but what the US lent/leased to the UK and USSR. It also increased the merchant shipping to those allows. Most likely , USSR falls in 42 without the US built supplies and raw goods coming into it. At that point , the UK falls.
Even under best circumstances , neither could out manufacture the US under any circumstances. I used to know the numbers, but at max capacity the US out produced both 3–1. The biggest strategic error both countries made is the failure to produce a long range bomber. The US pounded the strategic infrastructure of both countries from jump. It severely handicapped both countries. At best, Japan and Germany could impact the supply chain via U boats, but never the production capacity.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:03 pm to bdavids09
If we only had Germany to worry about, we would have destroyed them quickly. We were fighting 2 different wars during WW2. The war with Japan was far more difficult than Germany
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:04 pm to bdavids09
Easy. The US. We were loaded on natural resources for war. We were located outside the war zone. Germans only hope was to subdue England before we enter the war. Had Germany water another year for the Russia campaign it would have been different. The us was an isolationist and we were way behind on our military. But, as Yamamoto stated, we were a sleeping giant with mass industry. It took WWII to finally get out of the Great Depression.
But with our industry unmolested from bombing it having resources cut off we were rebuilding way faster then were were losing. Germany couldn’t replenish losses and needed Russian Caucasus oil to continue the fight.
But with our industry unmolested from bombing it having resources cut off we were rebuilding way faster then were were losing. Germany couldn’t replenish losses and needed Russian Caucasus oil to continue the fight.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:04 pm to michael corleone
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Germany’s entire strategy depended upon the US not entering the war at any point
But oddly. Germany declared war on us after Pearl Harbor, when they weren't obligated to by treaty. We would have gotten into the war vs Germany anyway, but Hitler relieved FDR of the necessity of doing some fancy maneuvering.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:07 pm to bdavids09
The US by ten times. Geez, why is this even a question?
The US had a population twice the size of Germany. Plus we had far superior resources.
The US had a population twice the size of Germany. Plus we had far superior resources.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:12 pm to bdavids09
our supply chain could not be equaled during ww2.
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