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re: Are Realtors Scumbags on Average?
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:07 am to Jizzamo311
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:07 am to Jizzamo311
This is totally ridiculous.
If the house doesn't appraise, no lender will give the buyer the money to make up the difference. It is the lesser of the sales price or the appraised value and they will get a percentage of that lower number.
So what would you do? In a situation like this, the deal almost always falls through. The reason being:
1. Buyer finds out they are overpaying and changes their mind.
2. Buyer wants the house and agrees to price but can't make up the difference.
2. Buyer now doesn't trust seller and feels that they were being taken advantage of, just quits returning phone calls.
Unless there is an overinflated market where people are willing to pay cash over for a particular reason (i.e. special property, location, ammenity, sentimental value, famous owner, history, whatever), then the deal will usually fall through. No realtor is going to fix that. Since 2008 a lender will almost never take another appraisal. People rail on here about inflated appraisals, it wasn't only the brokers pressuring appraisers, which no one mentions the realtors part in the sub-prime debacle.Lenders would rather pass on a deal than take the risk on another appraisal; this would easily be a deal to pass on. The buyer would be more apt to walk away, since they would be severely upside down (they basedecisions on risk, not persistant realtors). So unless a realtor was both the lender, appraiser, and the owner; how would they fix it?
I was in the mortgage business, not a big fan of Realtors because they are like home inspectors, there is always something wrong,unless they came up with it. Also, Realtors can get away with far mor underhanded things such as receiving gifts from Attorneys, appraisers, lenders, etc. However, they serve their purpose.
This example is just ridiculous.
If the house doesn't appraise, no lender will give the buyer the money to make up the difference. It is the lesser of the sales price or the appraised value and they will get a percentage of that lower number.
So what would you do? In a situation like this, the deal almost always falls through. The reason being:
1. Buyer finds out they are overpaying and changes their mind.
2. Buyer wants the house and agrees to price but can't make up the difference.
2. Buyer now doesn't trust seller and feels that they were being taken advantage of, just quits returning phone calls.
Unless there is an overinflated market where people are willing to pay cash over for a particular reason (i.e. special property, location, ammenity, sentimental value, famous owner, history, whatever), then the deal will usually fall through. No realtor is going to fix that. Since 2008 a lender will almost never take another appraisal. People rail on here about inflated appraisals, it wasn't only the brokers pressuring appraisers, which no one mentions the realtors part in the sub-prime debacle.Lenders would rather pass on a deal than take the risk on another appraisal; this would easily be a deal to pass on. The buyer would be more apt to walk away, since they would be severely upside down (they basedecisions on risk, not persistant realtors). So unless a realtor was both the lender, appraiser, and the owner; how would they fix it?
I was in the mortgage business, not a big fan of Realtors because they are like home inspectors, there is always something wrong,unless they came up with it. Also, Realtors can get away with far mor underhanded things such as receiving gifts from Attorneys, appraisers, lenders, etc. However, they serve their purpose.
This example is just ridiculous.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:26 am to BeerMoney
I've had an agent that was awesome. Company was paying, so it didn't matter what I bought, she had a flat rate. She worked just as hard for whatever price house we looked at.
Had one that was awful and I probably should have reported her to her company for some slightly unethical things.
Had one that was awful and I probably should have reported her to her company for some slightly unethical things.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:46 am to BeerMoney
I have had the joy of selling a number of houses, all the realtors I used got the houses sold. some of the realtors I would be happy to use again, some of the others I would not be surprised to learn they were in jail for one thing or another. It seems to be a profession where the personalities are grouped at the opposite extremes of the spectrum.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:47 am to tiger94gop
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So unless a realtor was both the lender, appraiser, and the owner; how would they fix it?
Not saying it can always be fixed, but a Realtor can damn sure try.
An appraiser is going to use Comps they pull from the MLS. Sometimes there are properties that never hit the MLS due to One time showings, etc.
An agent can use his/her resources to find Comps that would increase value of subject property....Use said comps to request appraisal reconsideration.....In turn appraised value is increased and deal eventually gets brought to the closing table...
A FSBO wouldn't have the slightest idea nor resources to keep that deal together
But you worked for a Mortgage Broker, so I'm sure you have all the answers.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:06 pm to Jizzamo311
I bet you couldn't name a single deal since 2008 where that has occurred.
If a comp is added to an appraisal that is not on the MLS and can't be verified by multiple 3rd party sources, then it is useless. What resources can a realtor use, when the lender requests the appraiser from New Orleans or Lake Charles for a property in Baton Rouge?
No, an FSBo wouldn't have any idea, but a realtor trying to do what your saying would only be prolonging a dead deal.
If it doesn't appraise, then the person needs to make up the difference.
The only people who would touch that would be a small local bank or CU and they can't sell it for several years because of the appraisal. They would have to keep it on their books. So they borrower will still need more downpayment, can't finance closing costs, and FNMA,FHA, VA, Rural is out of the question. So you would steer your client into a baloon or adjustible rate with more upfront money just to make that deal or encourage them to move on?
If a comp is added to an appraisal that is not on the MLS and can't be verified by multiple 3rd party sources, then it is useless. What resources can a realtor use, when the lender requests the appraiser from New Orleans or Lake Charles for a property in Baton Rouge?
No, an FSBo wouldn't have any idea, but a realtor trying to do what your saying would only be prolonging a dead deal.
If it doesn't appraise, then the person needs to make up the difference.
The only people who would touch that would be a small local bank or CU and they can't sell it for several years because of the appraisal. They would have to keep it on their books. So they borrower will still need more downpayment, can't finance closing costs, and FNMA,FHA, VA, Rural is out of the question. So you would steer your client into a baloon or adjustible rate with more upfront money just to make that deal or encourage them to move on?
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:10 pm to tiger94gop
I literally got a deal done 2 weeks ago with this exact scenario. So don't tell me it doesn't happen. I'll leave it at that.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:41 pm to BeerMoney
After having dealt with many, many "individuals", "STOUT" included; over the span of about 17 years, I'd say you are in the park with your statement.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:44 pm to BeerMoney
jumping into this thread late, but...
I think realtors have the biggest conflict of interest of any profession.
think about this: whether they are on the buy side or sell side, due to the nature of compensation, they always have an incentive to get the highest price possible. This is not how markets are supposed to operate. And this is how people get pushed to the brink of what they can truly afford
I think realtors have the biggest conflict of interest of any profession.
think about this: whether they are on the buy side or sell side, due to the nature of compensation, they always have an incentive to get the highest price possible. This is not how markets are supposed to operate. And this is how people get pushed to the brink of what they can truly afford
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:48 pm to gooch11
quote:You probably have a 30 year mortgage that you only put $15-20,000 down on. You'll most likely be underwater in a few years.
I'm sorry you're so poor.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:04 pm to mostbesttigerfanever
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think about this: whether they are on the buy side or sell side, due to the nature of compensation, they always have an incentive to get the highest price possible. This is not how markets are supposed to operate. And this is how people get pushed to the brink of what they can truly afford
An extra $5k doesn't mean shite when it comes to ~2% commission. Any Realtor worth a shite wants their client happy at the end of the process because referral and repeat clients are what drive their business. So whether it's getting an extra 5k for the seller or saving 5k for the buyer, the commission only sways around $87. So earning future business is far more important.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:14 pm to tiger94gop
I had a deal in May that the appraisal was about $15-20k below sale price. I used 20 comps when pricing. I sent my CMA to appraiser and listed why they were more appropriate comps. He came back with an appraisal at sale price. Deal closed just fine. I jumped over neighborhoods in Metairie because appraiser didn't realize how much of a difference there was in location between similar looking connected neighborhoods.
ETA: As a buyer's agent my motivation is to get the best deal. Paying $10,000 more makes me like $150 before taxes. I would rather you feel I fought for the best price and refer me to a friend than make $150.
ETA: As a buyer's agent my motivation is to get the best deal. Paying $10,000 more makes me like $150 before taxes. I would rather you feel I fought for the best price and refer me to a friend than make $150.
This post was edited on 9/2/15 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:19 pm to nolatiger711
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nolatiger711
But that guy worked for a Mortgage Broker one time so he obviously knows everything...
Posted on 9/2/15 at 7:53 pm to BeerMoney
In my experience that is the case.
Realtors purport to be an agent of the buyer but they are really an agent for their commission.
I'm not a big baller but I have done enough real estate transactions to recognize the realtor doesn't really offer much other than being the keeper of the lockbox for MLS.
Realtors purport to be an agent of the buyer but they are really an agent for their commission.
I'm not a big baller but I have done enough real estate transactions to recognize the realtor doesn't really offer much other than being the keeper of the lockbox for MLS.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:17 pm to KG6
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Had one that was awful and I probably should have reported her to her company for some slightly unethical things.
Go to the real estate commission when that happens. That industry has a huge incentive to self-police. If Re/Max can't trust Prudential and Prudential can't trust Century 21 and Century 21 can't trust Latter & Blum, the entire industry would fall apart.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:20 pm to BeerMoney
If they are like that, they won't be in real estate for more than 5 or 6 years. I started off in residential but work strictly commercial now. More than 70% of my business in both fields were either repeat customers or referrals.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:21 pm to BeerMoney
My wife is a realtor and she has pushed me down the stairs before.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:26 pm to Halftrack
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I have heard that the female variety of Realtors are particarly loose. Is there truth to this rumor?
Yes, there is some truth. Not most but you will definitely run into two or three if you are involved with real estate. I once had a cougar offer me to rail her on a consistent basis if I gave her enough referrals and she PERSONALLY knew my wife.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:50 pm to BeerMoney
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Several different realtors recently on a personal leve
Sounds like you need new friends. I used to feel that way about mortgage brokers. But it actually turned out to be the crowd I was running with.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:57 pm to nolatiger711
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in Metairie
I hate to say this, but business transactions in general (real estate or any business) are not even close to the same ethics in NOLA as compared to Baton Rouge. As a matter of fact, NOLA has different (shady) laws than anywhere in Louisiana - especial real estate.
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