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Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:53 am to CAD703X
quote:Why are you asking me?
Why are banks and isps required to turn over records but Apple isn't?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:53 am to CAD703X
That's not the password you use to get into the phone.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:53 am to CAD703X
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So how do you login to icloud?
The lock screen password (what the FBI is trying to crack) is native to the phone. They keep trying passwords and hitting the time limit or erase limit.
As far as I am aware you can only login to iCloud online (provided it is even enabled on your phone) and find the phones location, make it play an alarm to help find it, lock it, or remote wipe it.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:55 am to jbgleason
Whole lotta stupidity in this thread. We are talking about circumventing an encryption algorithm that's used on over 100 million phones. They actually are trying to enact the All Writs Act from 1789 and forcing Apple to give them essentially a master key to every iPhone that runs iOS. Sure, the FBI is saying they will only use it for this case. Of course they would. There is NO WAY to guarantee they will and would you really trust our government with a master key to all Apple iPhones?
I'm not a blind Apple sheep by any means but this is a way bigger issue than Apple or iPhones. This is a personal privacy and data security issue that would set a scary precedent.
I'm not a blind Apple sheep by any means but this is a way bigger issue than Apple or iPhones. This is a personal privacy and data security issue that would set a scary precedent.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 7:56 am
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:57 am to AndyCBR
Point taken. Seems the majority of the relevant info would come from carrier call records or messaging stored on icloud anyway.
What use is putting something on the phone unless it gets communicated to the outside world which leaves an electronic trail
What use is putting something on the phone unless it gets communicated to the outside world which leaves an electronic trail
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:59 am to CAD703X
I'll go order some Apple products from Amazon right now.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:59 am to musick
quote:why can't Apple just unlock this phone and hand it over to FBI? They wouldn't need to tell them how they did it.
forcing Apple to give them essentially a master key to every iPhone that runs iOS.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:00 am to CAD703X
quote:Dude the phone pin is not the Apple/icloud password.
so if Tim cook forgets his password on the iPad he's about to go on stage to present some apple engineer can't hook him up?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:01 am to CAD703X
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They control the servers that store the passwords to iPhones online.
Try again
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:04 am to CAD703X
quote:
why can't Apple just unlock this phone and hand it over to FBI?
Apple doesn't hold the encryption keys. They are stored locally and securely on the phone. They'd have to completely undermine their encryption process. Every nation-state out there would undoubtedly be hacking the shite out of Apple's network to get the specs on how to backdoor it even if they didn't tell the FBI directly.
Develop a backdoor and it's everyones backdoor.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:06 am to CAD703X
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why can't Apple just unlock this phone and hand it over to FBI? They wouldn't need to tell them how they did it.
Because it would contain a custom build of iOS that has a backdoor. Once that phone leaves Apples hands they have no control over that build.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:09 am to logjamming
Didn't the detectives who were investigating La'Ell Collins's girlfriend's death say that Apple said they couldn't even access her phone? What crazy tech.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:09 am to AndyCBR
I agree with Apple on this one.
That said, WTF? We don't have a tech guy in our government who can break into an Iphone? Call the Chicoms, I'm sure they have someone who can do it.
That said, WTF? We don't have a tech guy in our government who can break into an Iphone? Call the Chicoms, I'm sure they have someone who can do it.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:09 am to AndyCBR
Thank you. Why is this so hard to understand?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:10 am to AndyCBR
So FBI can use Cofee (Google it) to break into hard drives of suspected pedophiles to find evidence butiPhones which are also nothing but a fancy hard drive are exempt?
Eta the terrorists have won... Literally
Eta the terrorists have won... Literally
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 8:12 am
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:11 am to CAD703X
It's evident in this thread that people aren't understanding what Apple is being asked to do and the potential implications.
Here's a good comparison from Reddit.
Here's a good comparison from Reddit.
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I suggest everybody will have to install an additional door to their home with one master key, and this key will be given to the FBI. The key will also open any safe inside the house. Sometimes there's a need to search the house or even save people in it, and it's very difficult when the owner is not around. This way, the FBI will have access, to be used only in legitimate cases and truthfully, based on the good intentions of the agents. For our own good. Politicians and public figures are excluded. Unless they have something against the FBI, in which case this key will be used to get information that might shape their agenda and priorities. Again, for the public's benefit.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:11 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:Decades of security and encryption engineering was done for a reason.
We don't have a tech guy in our government who can break into an Iphone?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:11 am to CAD703X
No, frick you.
This is a good thing.
This is a good thing.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:12 am to CAD703X
quote:Apple isn't stopping them from trying
So FBI can use Cofee (Google it) to break into hard drives of suspected pedophiles to find evidence butiPhones which are also nothing but a fancy hard drive are exempt?
wtf ETA: You are starting to sound like that one crazy relative everyone has on Facebook. At least attempt to understand the logic here.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 8:14 am
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