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re: Apple acts all high and mighty.. Won't turn over password to terrorists iPhone
Posted on 2/17/16 at 6:29 am to CAD703X
Posted on 2/17/16 at 6:29 am to CAD703X
That's a tough call, but I actually support Apple on this one. Turning over that password would be opening Pandora's box. Not a precedent I want.
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 6:30 am to CAD703X
Lol I'm waiting for the "I'll never buy another apple product again" comment in response to this topic.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 6:31 am to TigerRob20
quote:Like how the court can order you to open up a safe? I would argue the precedent has already been set.
You do realize what kind of precedent that would set, right?
Just bc the content is digital, doesn't mean it should be an exception. The government can already look at other private digital information (bank records, etc) with a warrant. You already know they can with anything physical.
the whole point of the judicial system in this case is so that there is an objective entity overseeing the government/police's requests for search.
Edit: to clarify, this doesn't apply if apple doesn't already have a way to get in. They shouldn't be made to create one
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 8:39 am
Posted on 2/17/16 at 6:35 am to TaderSalad
quote:One issue with transferring iMessages to a Samsung has led you to believe that all Apple products suck?
Apple products suck.
You seem like a reasonable person.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 6:39 am
Posted on 2/17/16 at 6:48 am to CAD703X
quote:That is not what they are being asked to do. Tech companies are being asked to literally develop a backdoor into the OS that the government claims they will only use in this one case. If you think that's a good idea you need to do some research.
Won't turn over password to terrorists iPhone
Posted on 2/17/16 at 6:52 am to Covingtiger
quote:Do not introduce logic to a CAD Thread. This will go over his head.
That is not what they are being asked to do. Tech companies are being asked to literally develop a backdoor into the OS that the government claims they will only use in this one case. If you think that's a good idea you need to do some research.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:00 am to BottomlandBrew
quote:
Glad they're digging their heals in against surveillance
Translation?
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:04 am to CAD703X
Cad I hope you are trolling
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:05 am to Covingtiger
quote:
That is not what they are being asked to do. Tech companies are being asked to literally develop a backdoor into the OS that the government claims they will only use in this one case. If you think that's a good idea you need to do some research.
This. 100%. If they want into the phone, figure out a different way.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:06 am to Patrick_Bateman
quote:any logical human being should
That's a tough call, but I actually support Apple on this one
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:06 am to TigerRob20
quote:
You do realize what kind of precedent that would set, right?
This
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:06 am to BottomlandBrew
quote:Wouldnt this fit more into the category of investigation of a mass murder rather than random surveillance?
Glad they're digging their heals in against surveillance.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:08 am to The Mick
quote:Actually, no.
Wouldnt this fit more into the category of investigation of a mass murder
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:10 am to jeff5891
A court can't order you to open a safe, just like they can't order you to give up your computer password.
I haven't read the ruling, but to me, it doesn't look like Apple is being asked to do either. It looks like the Court just ordered them to allow the government to bypass the auto erase function so they could have sufficient time to crack it.
The whole issue here is that Apple wouldn't voluntarily open it. I really hope that if the police show up at your door with a warrant one day, you don't just open the safe because you think you have to. At least make them bust out the torches.
I haven't read the ruling, but to me, it doesn't look like Apple is being asked to do either. It looks like the Court just ordered them to allow the government to bypass the auto erase function so they could have sufficient time to crack it.
The whole issue here is that Apple wouldn't voluntarily open it. I really hope that if the police show up at your door with a warrant one day, you don't just open the safe because you think you have to. At least make them bust out the torches.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:15 am to CAD703X
quote:If that is what you think they're being asked to do then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is going on here.
apple's position on not resetting the password on the a-hole terrorist's iPhone so the FBI can see who was helping.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:16 am to The Mick
quote:
Wouldnt this fit more into the category of investigation of a mass murder rather than random surveillance?
In this case, but not in future cases.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:17 am to voodoodawg
quote:
This. 100%. If they want into the phone, figure out a different way.
There is no other practical way. That's the whole point of the encryption system. I can't think of any similar precedent in the physical world. And if Apple doesn't know the passcode, there's literally nothing they can do aside from changing the system, which no court has issued a demand to do.
Yet.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:19 am to Covingtiger
quote:Ignore this post, he will.
That is not what they are being asked to do. Tech companies are being asked to literally develop a backdoor into the OS that the government claims they will only use in this one case. If you think that's a good idea you need to do some research.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:22 am to PrivatePublic
Exactly. They don't just have everyone's passcodes or something ridiculous like that. They are asking Apple to build an edited version of their operating system that would disable the feature that delays entering thousands of passcodes in at a time. And also disable the feature that erases your data after a certain number of attempts. This would void decades of work to secure and encrypt your data.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 7:22 am to CAD703X
Good move by Apple
Because I'm sure that if essentially kids can find ways to jailbreak an iPhone, they can hire a few to break into a few iPhones
Because I'm sure that if essentially kids can find ways to jailbreak an iPhone, they can hire a few to break into a few iPhones
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