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re: Anybody following the migrant/refugee crisis in the EU? Insanity. OT Opinions?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:35 am to fr33manator
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:35 am to fr33manator
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Sure. But when they get to these countries that generously allow them to enter they then refuse to assimilate and set up enclaves, displacing the communities there prior to their arrival and becoming a drain on resources.
At some point, they stop being refugees and start being invaders, regardless of the circumstances.
Yep, this is a very unsustainable situation. Eventually native Europeans are going to push back harder and harder.
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Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:36 am to AUCE05
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Why don't they fight to make their country better?
This. People that won't fight for their home and way of life don't amount to much IMO.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:36 am to Bluefin
What if's are fun, but the reality is the U.S., mainly the middle class males of our country are the ones sent to fight these battles in the sand. The Brits had the same problem; fighting wars in foreign lands, with money they didn't have. They went broke. At some point, we have to allow shitty countries to be shitty.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:36 am to GetCocky11
Germany had around 100k in August alone
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:41 am to GetCocky11
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quote: Sure. But when they get to these countries that generously allow them to enter they then refuse to assimilate and set up enclaves, displacing the communities there prior to their arrival and becoming a drain on resources. At some point, they stop being refugees and start being invaders, regardless of the circumstances.
Yep, this is a very unsustainable situation. Eventually native Europeans are going to push back harder and harder.
Eventually will be too late. It has to be extreme and it has to be NOW. These immigrants breed at prolific rates at a time when native Europeans aren't even reproducing on a sustainable level in some countries.
"Eventually" will see them looking for young men to stem the tide of the Islamic Wave threatening Europe...but when they look there won't be enough Europeans.
The next Great War is closer than we think, and may be even bloodier than the previous ones.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:43 am to GetCocky11
Today's refugees are tomorrow's voting block. Tricky situation.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:44 am to SamuelClemens
This is our military industrial complex at work folks. If the powers that be were serious about stopping the persecution by ISIS/Assad they could stop that shite inside of a month. The "experts" say it'll take 20 years to defeat ISIS? bullshite, If we defeated the Germans and Japanese in four I'm not ignorant enough to believe it'll take 20 to pound a bunch of goat herders into oblivion.
Don't think the M I C is behind all this? The Iran deal is supposed to bring "peace and stability" to the region, right? If that's the case, then why just yesterday did Lurch Kerry promise BILLIONS in weaponry and military aid to Israel and Saudi Arabia.
If it's peaceful and stable, why do they need it. We're getting played like a fiddle folks and we can't see it because we're too busy arguing about homos and flags.
Don't think the M I C is behind all this? The Iran deal is supposed to bring "peace and stability" to the region, right? If that's the case, then why just yesterday did Lurch Kerry promise BILLIONS in weaponry and military aid to Israel and Saudi Arabia.
If it's peaceful and stable, why do they need it. We're getting played like a fiddle folks and we can't see it because we're too busy arguing about homos and flags.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 8:45 am
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:47 am to fr33manator
It's already too late to peacefully handle this issue. They arrive and are collecting welfare by the end of the day without one thought how they can assimilate. But why should they? As mentioned before, the unrestricted immigration have allowed them to take over neighborhoods and kill the existing culture.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:49 am to EastNastySwag
Politicians/bankers hide themselves away. They only started the war. Why should they go out to fight? They leave that up to the poor.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:50 am to GetCocky11
I was just in the UK. most of them are not happy. They closed the Chunnel because of the refugees trying to come across.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:53 am to roadGator
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Yes there is. The crazy mother frickers could just stop killing each other in the name of Allah, pump some oil and live good lives. But nah, that's too damn simple of a solution for such a great group of humans.
Clearly you have a beyond superficial understanding of the situation at play here. I study EU politics and I can tell you right now that these are people who have literally the option of fleeing or death. Additionally to whoever mentioned the refugees being sent back to Hungary is partially right. Under EU accord, "Dublin Agreement" pertaining to readmission, whichever country illicit migrants or asylum applicants enter EU territory through, is the country to which they are sent back (if they are caught by the authorities in another EU member state, beyond their state of entry into the Schengen Area) this places an unfair burden on the EU's southern frontier (i.e. Spain, Italy and Greece) because none of the migrants want to be in those states where even the ethnic natives are struggling to find employment, but rather the wealthy stable Northern European countries (Nordic States, Netherlands, Germany, UK). However, Germany, and quite pragmatically so, has opted to defy the Dublin accord and open its borders to all Syrian refugees/asylum applicants. This is a HUGE move on their part and if those ignorant former-commies in Hungary would pull their vodka laden head out of their assholes for even a mill-second they'd realize that Germany is picking up the bill for them as is par for the course...
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 8:55 am
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:53 am to GetCocky11
It's a really sad situation. People are fleeing Syria in droves and countries are starting to get tired of the amount of refugees coming in. Germany, for example, offers housing and money to these refugees and a lot of citizens are responding negatively to the influx. I know in places like Munich in South Germany, they're doing a lot to help these people but a lot of economists don't think it's sustainable to have this many new residents.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:55 am to arcalades
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and European nanny states. Understand that a lot of those migrants are deliberately trying to get to nanny state countries for the freebies just like many latinos come here for welfare.
exactly, except they offer way more. But you also are paying a 20% sales tax on every thing.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:56 am to hendersonshands
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but a lot of economists don't think it's sustainable to have this many new residents.
Of course it's not and the people will not assimilate.
Here we have a ton of Bosnian Muslims that freeload and complain about America. Welfare dependent shitstains.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:59 am to roadGator
It's unfair to these people to assume they won't assimilate. It's easy to look at this as just a numbers issue but this is an issue of human beings who only have one other option - death.
I'm not naive enough to think they're all going to be great citizens of their new countries but I think you have to at least try something.
I'm not naive enough to think they're all going to be great citizens of their new countries but I think you have to at least try something.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 9:00 am to hendersonshands
quote:People aren't assuming. This is the case.
It's unfair to these people to assume they won't assimilate.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 9:02 am to dgnx6
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and European nanny states. Understand that a lot of those migrants are deliberately trying to get to nanny state countries for the freebies just like many latinos come here for welfare
Typical ignorant a-hole, most Latinos have a better work-ethic then you could dream of ever having, of all major races in the US (aside from Asians) Hispanics are far less dependent on welfare handouts than their Caucasian and African-American counterparts.
Also in fairness in Europe the situation is somewhat trickier as Muslims from Southwest Asia and North Africa objectively do have a tougher time assimilating as they are not Christians who speak a European language like say, Mexicans. Nonetheless that does not be they cannot or will not assimilate, please refrain from being an asshat in the future...
Posted on 9/3/15 at 9:04 am to Scruffy
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This is the case.
How easy is it for poor people to assimilate when they are uneducated and they are not wanted to begin with?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 9:04 am to hendersonshands
Try what and who pays?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 9:05 am to Scruffy
Right, but I also don't know if these countries have any sort of assimilation programs that they're trying to teach or if they have any plans for what's next. I could be off base here because I haven't done enough research but it seems like the countries taking in the refugees have been a bit overwhelmed so far.
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