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re: All Those Arts Majors Can't Find Jobs.... Oh Wait
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:25 pm to LouisianaLady
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:25 pm to LouisianaLady
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When I went back to talk with the CEO, he said the exact same thing. He even said, "You don't have some boyfriend that is going to marry you and move you to another city, huh?"
This is something women face on a much larger scale than men do, and not to be a SJW, but what business is that of theirs? Okay, so they want to make sure you stay for a while, but your personal life should not influence the hiring decision whatsoever. I have sat in on interviews where I've heard women be asked all sorts of things in regards to marriage/kids/moving because of their BF/Husband.
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:26 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I'm glad i have a fallback job if i can't immediately get a job related to my major.
Not to mention it pays very well.
Honestly, I have zero issue going back to the service industry and I'd do it if my parents wouldn't die about what a waste my college tuition was.
I never dreaded it like I do "big girl jobs". A shift was half the amount of hours.. you can choose to work days or work nights.. the money was not really any different than I'm making.. no waking up before the sun rises.. casual work environment.. etc.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:28 pm to JonaYolles
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This is something women face on a much larger scale than men do, and not to be a SJW, but what business is that of theirs? Okay, so they want to make sure you stay for a while, but your personal life should not influence the hiring decision whatsoever. I have sat in on interviews where I've heard women be asked all sorts of things in regards to marriage/kids/moving because of their BF/Husband.
My wife, before she was my wife, got these questions when she was fielding offers from firms too.
I'm currently in the process of getting a license in TX, and we're just not going to mention it because her employer may freak out a little bit thinking its the opening to her moving, but really its just so I expand my career.
My employer who is paying for all this hasn't even raised the question that maybe I'm just using them to get access to TX. Which I'm not, but that's more of a real threat than what women get asked all the time I think.
So ya, there's a bit of a double standard, but it is also based on the real idea that men control the family and moving. It will fade over time I suppose.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:29 pm to JonaYolles
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This is something women face on a much larger scale than men do, and not to be a SJW, but what business is that of theirs? Okay, so they want to make sure you stay for a while, but your personal life should not influence the hiring decision whatsoever. I have sat in on interviews where I've heard women be asked all sorts of things in regards to marriage/kids/moving because of their BF/Husband.
I had someone try to get me to promise I wouldn't leave the position during the interview. I laughed because I thought they were joking, and when I found out they were serious, informed them that I am an ambitious young man and probably not the one they are looking for.
I'm loyal to my employers, but not putting feelers out from time to time is just begging to be underpaid.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:34 pm to BayouBlue386
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I'm the only one in this position with a degree. I only took the job because the responsibilities were misrepresented in the interview. While I was content to make a third of what I was used to, I am not content to play on my phone for 7.5 hours a day and do the jobs of my coworkers and my superiors while getting zero recognition for it.
Wow. You must be at my old job
I never thought I'd hate being lazy so much. Watching Netflix on your computer gets OLD. And I was more worn out staring at Netflix/Facebook/TD all day than I am now where I have fulfilling workdays. Boredom is exhausting.
I'd much rather be challenged and feel like I accomplished something. Which should be considered good work ethic.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:36 pm to LouisianaLady
I can understand that. My current gig is either all or nothing. Either I'm insanely busy or I'm kinda just waiting on stuff from other people.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:37 pm to JonaYolles
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This is something women face on a much larger scale than men do, and not to be a SJW, but what business is that of theirs? Okay, so they want to make sure you stay for a while, but your personal life should not influence the hiring decision whatsoever. I have sat in on interviews where I've heard women be asked all sorts of things in regards to marriage/kids/moving because of their BF/Husband.
Well I don't want to hire someone that takes 3 months to train at which point she tells me she'll be taking 12 weeks maternity leave in less than a year and I have to hold her position
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:37 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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there's a bit of a double standard, but it is also based on the real idea that men control the family and moving. It will fade over time I suppose.
I agree that it is a real idea, but if a woman is simply dating a man, why should that even be an issue? In LL's example, she had someone allude to her bf (not knowing if she had one or not) - and that just seems nosy and unprofessional.
First off, I don't think it has any relevance in an interview (no matter who brings it up.) if a woman tells me she's in a relationship with her bf in an interview, I probably won't hire her, because I could see her being the type to regale everyone in the office with her personal life issues. If an interviewer brings it up, I would question the relevance, and would feel like they're prying far too much into a potential employee's life.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:38 pm to LouisianaLady
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Many companies are run by conservative old white men who do not see the value in marketing
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard!
They may not be super into social media but old white men are some of the best marketers on the planet. quote:
so they hire someone and pay them low wages and use them as a secretary as well as some marketing.
Well if you consider facebook and twitter marketing then sure, why wouldn't you just have a secretary do it?
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:38 pm to JonaYolles
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what business is that of theirs?
Exactly.
And just because you want someone to stay at the job a long time, it doesn't give you an excuse to make them promise in the interview that they will stay. It was extremely uncomfortable to lie like that--because I know for sure that my SO's job will be in another city, but I was at LEAST 3 years away from that even happening.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:39 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I'm glad i have a fallback job if i can't immediately get a job related to my major.
Same. I'll probably work there in the spring (graduate in December) making $15/hr before deciding on grad or law school
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:42 pm to lsu480
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Well if you consider facebook and twitter marketing then sure, why wouldn't you just have a secretary do it?
The point is that they're going after people with degrees in those fields, some requiring the degree and experience, and then putting them at a desk to be their personal assistant instead.
My old job called me "marketing" to lure me in, and do you know that I wasn't even asked to sit in on the meeting with Business Report to discuss our advertising?
How can you hire me as your marketing person and not even include me in decisions like that?
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:43 pm to LouisianaLady
Mine is manual labor, something i don't care for, but there is actually a lot of upward mobility.
Starting at about 60k would make it worthwhile if need be.
Starting at about 60k would make it worthwhile if need be.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:43 pm to yellowfin
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Well I don't want to hire someone that takes 3 months to train at which point she tells me she'll be taking 12 weeks maternity leave in less than a year and I have to hold her position
Or that she will miss about three times as much work as her male coworkers because her pussy hurts every month.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:45 pm to yellowfin
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Well I don't want to hire someone that takes 3 months to train at which point she tells me she'll be taking 12 weeks maternity leave in less than a year and I have to hold her position
EXACTLY! In my experience women miss WAY more work on average than men, especially once they have kids. If I am running a business I don't want to have to wonder if my employee is going to be there or not.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:48 pm to LouisianaLady
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The point is that they're going after people with degrees in those fields, some requiring the degree and experience, and then putting them at a desk to be their personal assistant instead.
You should have left after a week
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My old job called me "marketing" to lure me in, and do you know that I wasn't even asked to sit in on the meeting with Business Report to discuss our advertising? How can you hire me as your marketing person and not even include me in decisions like that?
You are not a marketing person if they didn't include you. They obviously didn't think you were smart enough to contribute or they would have included you. It sounds like it was a shitty job anyways.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:48 pm to lsu480
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In my experience women miss WAY more work on average than men
I have no idea. I've only called in sick to any job once since high school, and it was last Monday.
It is kindof a habit. In the service industry, there is no such thing as calling in. You get your shift covered or you show up. You get fired for calling in unless it is EXTREME. So it kinda stuck with me even after I left.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:49 pm to LouisianaLady
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I have no idea. I've only called in sick to any job once since high school, and it was last Monday.
It is kindof a habit. In the service industry, there is no such thing as calling in. You get your shift covered or you show up. You get fired for calling in unless it is EXTREME. So it kinda stuck with me even after I left.
You will see as you get more experienced working in offices, it gets really bad once they have kids.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:49 pm to LouisianaLady
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It is kindof a habit. In the service industry, there is no such thing as calling in. You get your shift covered or you show up. You get fired for calling in unless it is EXTREME. So it kinda stuck with me even after I left.
I wish I could hire a few like you. Plus, I think we would have wonderful workplace discussions.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:51 pm to lsu480
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You will see as you get more experienced working in offices, it gets really bad once they have kids.
My sister admits she's like this now. She makes a compelling argument though "I earned the days off, and my kid is the most important part of my life, not work".
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