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re: All Those Arts Majors Can't Find Jobs.... Oh Wait

Posted on 4/6/15 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 1:36 pm to
Seems to happen more with females. They are being given more of an equal opportunity, but when they are in a male dominated field for a few years, they realize working 50-70 hours per week, and never seeing your family because you have to travel/put up with assholes every day for 40 years sucks arse.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 1:39 pm to
at these idiots racking up 200,000 dollars in student loan debt.

I graduated from SELU with about 9k in debt, 2 years out of college make more than the median household income in Louisiana before obtaining my CPA. I've got plenty of contacts in multiple industries (Oil/Gas and Tobacco) and am currently at a stable job that I have upward mobility.

Graduates today think they deserve a job out of college making mega bucks. I know I did when I graduated, even though my grades were pretty shitty. I took a job where I only made around 24k a year and had to keep working at Canes to make ends meet. I busted my arse, and came up with creative solution to hard problems, and made it so I was worth more and could leave if I wanted to. I'm very happy where I am, but if that ever changes I have the tools, track record, and credentials to go get an industry job.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 1:42 pm to
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i quit reading


I did think that was pretty funny. She's one of the few that was able to grab the golden ticket, and she decided to throw it away.
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 1:44 pm to
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at these idiots racking up 200,000 dollars in student loan debt.


I would have to think that these are outliers.

On the undergrad level, you can either go in-state public on the low end and get out with zero, or little, debt. And on the high end, the Ivy League and Stanford types (those with the high endowments) are making real strides to make education as little of a burden as possible on the lower to middle class.

But yeah, if you're determined to pay full sticker at some leafy liberal arts college in New Hampshire or Tennessee that nobody has ever heard of and then follow that up by going to law or business school at a place where you're not getting a nickel, prepare to get rocked.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 1:48 pm to
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A huge part of the problem is that universities have raised tuition to that make a healthy roi almost impossible. We have allowed universities to grossly exaggerate their value in the workplace and it's only getting worse.
That's the truth. I have a forestry degree, and really enjoy it. I also really enjoy engineering. Forest engineering is basically a combo of civil, environmental, and mechanical with a strong concentration on forestry.

After getting paid dog shite as a forester, I looked into forest engineering. After doing research, I really wanted to do it. There are two schools that offer it, Oregon and Auburn. Tuition at those two schools for out-of-state students is over $40k per year. Tuition at UNO is $3k per year.

So I could come out of school not owing anything because I can afford it, or owing $160k with a bachelor's degree. That's outrageous. So instead of doing forestry work while in school, I have put it on hold for the four years it is going to take me to get a ME degree. Makes my forestry degree almost worthless
Posted by rippinlipsbendintips
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:00 pm to
The trade school is the route I took, and after graduating with a instrumentation degree I came out of school making 110K a year @ 21 years old with all student debt paid off in a few months. Its amazing how far ahead I am from my high school buddies...
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:01 pm to
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Graduates today think they deserve a job out of college making mega bucks.


My biggest issue has been the desire to feel challenged. The job I took immediately out of college was one I knew wouldn't be my "forever job", but it ended up being such a useless job that I only stayed for 9 months. Buzzwords like "marketing" and "communications" were used in my interview, and it ended up being dicking off on TD all day with some filing and typing thrown in for about 2 hours per week.

Left for my current job, which has luckily been more related to my degree and might possibly lead to something good later, but has also been not at all what was pitched in the interview process. If I chose to leave my job anytime in the near future, my resume is now screwed.. which sucks.

Lesson learned about digging deeper before blindly accepting jobs It never really occurred to me that while I am selling myself, they are also trying to sell the position and are going to make it sound the best they can. Goes both ways.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:09 pm to
I took a job at caterpillar that was labelled as "outside sales of forestry equipment". Perfect for me because I could just frick around in the woods all day.

The job actually turned out to be me being a secretary, routing general calls, updating equipment databases, and overhauling their equipment database system. I'm not a secretary. I'm not an IT guy. I'm not a cubicle guy. The place I was working had no outside sales guys, and didn't even sell forestry equipment. I flipped my shite on the boss after two months and stormed out

That was after I had a degree and the perfect job, but couldn't live on $27k/yr working in the woods.
Posted by DosManos
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:14 pm to
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I have put it on hold for the four years it is going to take me to get a ME degree.


Why is it taking you four years to get a second bachelors? Don't some of your credits from the first degree transfer over?

I ask because I am thinking about going back to undergrad for geology ten years after I got my first bachelors.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:15 pm to
why didn't they go to college to find husbands like they were supposed to?
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:15 pm to
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A huge part of the problem is that universities have raised tuition to that make a healthy roi almost impossible. We have allowed universities to grossly exaggerate their value in the workplace and it's only getting worse.



Well said.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted by haveagreatday
TN
Member since Jun 2008
538 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:17 pm to
i was an art/art history major, but i knew i wouldnt be an artist. I tried it for 5 years..what it did do for me was increase my intellectual mind set and it helped me become more sophisticated and appreciate things a lot more. I own a specialized high end product line of which i sell to designers/architects and my degree definitely helped me with that situation
Posted by rehtaeh
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:17 pm to
You just made the case for student loan forgiveness.
Posted by TigerHam85
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:18 pm to
Shoot me an email at bestbike85 at yahoo if you want some deets baw.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42567 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:26 pm to
I graduated from AU, and no one there is paying 40k a year for tuition alone.

ETA:

Correction. I looked it up. You are right.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 2:30 pm
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:29 pm to


It has been really surprising to me how misleading people can be. I guess I was just naive.

I think my new move has the potential to improve, but I have to admit that it is quite infuriating if I let myself think about it too long. Twice now I've been hired to basically do the things that other people don't want to mess with.
My previous job was actually really weird in that regard, and I didn't even notice it until I started working here. I had no responsibilities, never sat in on any of the meetings my boss had, nothing. I had no idea what was ever going on with the company--big sales we made and stuff like that.. I was basically paid to just be present in the building.

That's them blue hairs for ya though. Very much committed to the idea of someone being physically present in the office for those 40 hours even if there isn't actually anything to be done. My boss basically just wanted me to be there if he needed me, but otherwise I had no work tasks.

I also knew there was no room for growth and no chance of a real raise. They went as far as keeping regular AA batteries locked away where you had to get permission if you needed some Going from such a cheap company to now being somewhere where my boss throws money around is a huge difference.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:43 pm to
I was flat out lied to. Even went through the whole training and orientation program for salesmen. Got fricked over. I make it a point to do lots of research now before I even apply. Internet, talking to people around town, jobsite visits, and of course walking through the workplace. I'm pretty up front about not working in a cubicle also. It is just ridiculous what they went through to get a glorified secretary.


I'm not the job-hopping type. If I work somewhere, I want it to be for at least 5 years. It'll take longer for me to find a job, but I'll be happier and doing what I want
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
81201 posts
Posted on 4/6/15 at 2:55 pm to
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Even went through the whole training and orientation program for salesmen.


Holy shite. Wow. That is conniving.

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It is just ridiculous what they went through to get a glorified secretary.


This is what I don't understand. Why didn't my previous job just put out the word for a secretary/assistant position? Surely, there are people out there looking for that kind of work and okay with that kind of pay. The job flat out wasn't for someone with an education. A high school student could have done it part time and they'd have saved money by doing that.

Currently, I don't necessarily think I was intentionally lied to. I think my position has just developed into what it is, and that happens to be quite different from what was pitched in the interview. It is very unique. My company is an energy/industry publication, and I was under the impression I would be writing for it. It turns out that my boss is using his fortune to do all kinds of stuff in the Christian film industry/Christian film investments. Basically, he comes to work every day and pays me to work on his hobby. Problem is that I am not religious, not an investment banker, and not interested in film... and would have never taken a job in that field. So it has been interesting.

I'm pushing to work my way over to the oil/gas side, which is where my interest lies.
Posted by LSUEEAlum
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:14 pm to
My point exactly. Except if your number is accurate then I made a terrible mistake going to school for engineering.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 3:16 pm to
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Lesson learned about digging deeper before blindly accepting jobs


Yeah, I research the hell out of companies before I interview.
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